direct drives?!?!

[ac30]

Do people still use them? Is there much demand? What do people look for in them?

I'm thinking it wouldn't take much to reengineer my current machine. Just wondering if people still bother with them.

[cagelavey]

there is a huge demand for them right now, fk irons is releasing their spektra direkt, kingpin just released one, dale from rotary works is working on one, and a grip others. there are more and more people turning to them daily.

[OwlsDen]

Everybody makes one. If you are going to dip your toe in the water, then maybe you can bring something new to the party. Maybe something new that nobody else has done. Maybe one with just a touch if give. Lots of possibilities.

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Yeah i use direct drives daily Wayne Taylor, and i have another Wayne Taylor coming i also use old timer i love them




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[darkness]

i have used the hm adjustable ...very good machine and stroke from 2.5 to 5.5 - now my Wayne Taylor is on the way to me :) . For me i like dd more as other rotary systems.
So i have only a gen8 and centri ,mc2 that i dont use and the dd machines

[ac30]

Hmmmmmm, not sure really what else could be done. Lots of others doing them and doing them well an all.

[cagelavey]

yeah lots of them out, the only design I have seen uniquely different(just my opinion only, don't attach me, lol) is the flite v2. I really want one of those bad! it just seems to make a dd machine, the differences mainly come down to the volt/amp and torque of the motor. a dd is usually pretty basic.

[Mission Tattoo]

What about the torch I think it has a give system in the flywheel?

[ac30]

Give in the fly wheel! IMO give on a direct defies what it's about. My machine has a tiny amount of give provided by the silicone grommet that attaches the con rod to the bar. It took ages finding the right stuff but I'm there now.

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I don't like give on my dd's that's why i love them! I would like to see one that's more compact, and lightweight.. My old timer is like 6 ounces and haven't weighed my Wayne Taylor but im guessing at 4oz but in effect its just a motor and a vice.. So i think a micro motor and a streamlined alu frame could get to like 2-2.5oz.. Maxon power.. I mean i think if you want to study the perfect direct drive you wont go wrong with a Wayne Taylor...



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[bluerocker]

I agree...I think a dd is all about no give...its a direct hit thats the appeal aling with simplicity....that being said...ere we go and if im talking bollox fair enough....I really feel people are put off dds cos of the hard hit and side wobble....I for one think they are advantageous....the strike hit in a 4mm stroke cam is strong...in perfect motion...and in my experience the side action actually helps ink flow...that then brings a question to me that maybe a slight side motion should maybe explored more...maybe an adjustable dd is the way forward...dan kubins springer model look very similar to what im getting at..but maybe a slide and cushioning system on a cam wheel if that can be done or a locking system rather than using the eye loop on a runner with springs either side...?? Wish I could build lol...and if any of you builders bring that cam out in a few months I want a cut and it will be named after me!!!

[ac30]

The maxons I use weigh 1.8oz on there own

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Dales rotaryworks i.d machine has a coil machine style frame and a cam system only 2.5 oz

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Not being a dick just saying my opinion for something for you to think about

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[cagelavey]

like I said before, on other post. the one thing that has always thrown me off about dd machines, is the fact that in essence my thinking was stuck on the fact that to me, they just looked to be really well designed "prison machines". for the longest time I couldn't get past that, and like you said, the needle not moving in a linear motion erked the hell out of me. from all I had learned about tuning and using coil machines, that one fact about dd machines seemed to me, to be in direct opposition of what I had learned to be right when using coils and I couldn't separate that. though now that I use carts only, I cant see that being a huge issue. I do although see how the side to side motion could actually be a very productive way to get the ink in and staying deposited well with this type of motion although not for me so much as I again, only use carts. I do however still have my unprofessional days so ingrained in my head where I used homemade dd machines, that its hard for me to find the design aesthetically pleasing. I know that this has little to do with function but with me being an artist and finding beauty and art in everything I see, a machine has to represent what it is that I find artistic and beautiful. that's why I like the flite v2 so much, it seems to me to be a very clever and unique take on the dd. its like a go around for me so I can have the benefits of a dd without what I consider an un flattering and simple design in a machine. I know I'm over thinking things and shit don't have to be that deep, but this is just me being honest with myself. so my point I guess would be I would like to see more dd machines in production that are more complex in design, aesthetics, and overall unique and new. that's what I would look for in a dd, not just another dd.

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I have to say the dan kubin dd and also the hm dd from roman look good and very modern... Best looking dd's for sure



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[OwlsDen]

It all depends on what you like too. Mike Adams makes some cool one off DDs that have a more antique look.

I live DD machines. I am waiting on one from Ikarus, however I have a few others. They make for great color packers and I think everyone should try one.

[tattood]

Here is my DD (NICKS), and I think the idea of the side to side wobble at the tip is a bit silly. At the tip, it is bout as linear as any machine I have used, including needle clip machines.

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[cagelavey]

with all I said still holding true, I am going to be trying my first dd soon, im gonna grab the kingpin dd and if I like then the direkt from spektra, both those designs I kinda like, so im excited