getting maxons in canada?

[Barrett Russell]

Trying to educate myself a bit on motors. I am wanting to play around with some lighter weight stuff rather than the mabuchis. All shipping for maxon seems to be from switz as even for one motor it rings in at $60+. Faulhaber dont seem to have anything in a decent size with more than 3w, or relative size to the 216000. Portescap has some nice motos, especially the 16/28mm Antholix, does anybody have experience with these? They are comparable price however shipping is $10 vs $60 from maxon. Are there others out there I am missing which are more available to the states?

THanks
Barrett

[ac30]

Don't for get to add tax etc, Maxon will only ship with FedEx who are ruthless. What about a faulhaber 1724? There is a company in Germany that do them at a good price and they use german shipping so you should dodge the tax.

[cagelavey]

What is a minimum order from Maxon? How many motors do you have to order?

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[nivek]

I may have a faulhaberi can sell ya. almost no use 3v-6v motor

[ac30]

You can order just 1 but the p + p is ridiculous

[cagelavey]

What is the price end up looking like on say 10 motors, day for a beginning production of a limited number

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[ac30]

I think you get a small price break on 10 and I don't think shipping is much more for 10 than it is for 1 so I works out ok. If your only buying a couple it's really not good.

[cagelavey]

can you give me an average price? pm me if you like. I was maybe thinking of trying my hand at building a couple machines just for me and maybe a couple friends for personal use, just maybe would like to see what I might be able to accomplish. that's why im asking. I know what I like in a machine and I thought it might be nice to see if I could throw some of the aspects I like in rotaries together while throwing a couple new original ideas I have about what might work to make them more suited for how I like to tattoo. also id like to create an aluminum cnc'd frame that was real sexy and original. I wouldn't necessarily try and jump on the builders band wagon per say, but id like to accomplish the ability to see what kind of original design I might be able to come up with. I by no means am trying to become a machine builder, I don't have that kind of start-up capital or any business plan to speak of at all for that matter. but it would be cool if I could come up with an awesome design, maybe I could sell and implement the design to a builder I respect if maybe they would be interested. a lot of maybe's and in all reality it will probably more than likely never come to fruition. but I am interested in at least entertaining the idea

[Barrett Russell]

just go on the maxon site cage.

and the faulhaber is intriguing but isnt the 1724 like 2.5w? perhaps im not reading the tech sheet correctly. More to the point the 16/28mm Antholix from portescap/escap looks a spitting image of the maxon 216000, and less than $20 shipping. anyone ever use these. I have seen them come up in discussion from years ago but can find any info presently.

Nivek, which faulhaber is it?

this motor appear incredibly light and powerful. http://www.portescap.com/brush-dc/product-37-16N78Athlonix.html

[cagelavey]

this would be a good start for a project, correct? so 92.00 for a single maxon 216000 RE-max 17 Ø17 mm, Graphite Brushes, 4.5 Watt, with terminals plus 20.00 s&h, not cheap but worth having the best to have a quality product going to call tomorrow and see what the cost for ten would be. http://www.maxonmotorusa.com/maxon/view/content/productreferral?product=216000

[cagelavey]

these specs, do they have the torque, wattage and nominal voltage to make a decent machine?

RE-max 17 Ø17 mm, Graphite Brushes, 4.5 Watt, with terminals

Values at nominal voltage



Nominal voltage
12 V



No load speed
10400 rpm



No load current
35.3 mA



Nominal speed
7650 rpm



Nominal torque (max. continuous torque)
4.06 mNm



Nominal current (max. continuous current)
0.412 A



Stall torque
15.6 mNm



Starting current
1.45 A



Max. efficiency
72 %

[ac30]

If you can go a mm either way the amax series work out cheeper

[cagelavey]

I checked those out and looked at the 4.5w 6v motors. I think I like that range a little better than the 12v from the research ive been doing they don't require as much voltage to work and can achieve the same torque. from what ive ben able to gather at least

[ac30]

Mine are 6v motors, the 9v is good too. Torque really isn't a problem. My machine could line rhino, you can't stop the thing. Try eBay, there is a company in the UK called Farnell that sell the amax range and they work cheeper than Maxon direct. If your having trouble getting them shipped to the USA im sues there is something we could sort out. Are you looking for something around the 16-18mm range?

[cagelavey]

definitely 16 to 18mm that would be cool ill let you know what I find and get with you when I learn a little more about what it takes to bring these ideas to a more progressive stage. less in my head and more to the drawing board if you will, lol. I just want to do this more for personal purposes than anything like I said, but I appreciate your help.

[Barrett Russell]

so is it common to use a 6v or 9v rather than 12v? I always assume the more volts one can get away with the less amps your have to draw from the ps?

[cagelavey]

I believe the halo is 6v.then I believe the vivace is 12. That's why you can line fast at 9v with a halo, but to get that same torque and speed from vivace you run 11-12v.

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[Barrett Russell]

well I thought I would post that I got some portescap motors from digikeys, the 16n78 models, some 6's and some 12's. IMO these run smoother and stronger than the maxons, motors are 50$ a piece and 8bucks for overnight shipping, (well they are 15% more ef. and have 1w more power than the maxon 21600 with very similar size)

[peezie]

i think the halo uses 4.5 watt 12v. At least that's what i remeber.

[cagelavey]

youre right peezie, i knew it was a 4.5w i just thought it was a lower voltage for some reason. i do know the vivace is a 12v and runs at a higher voltage on the pu