Spot the difference on my hawks

[hellraiser6662]

We'll apart from the red end cover and the grey around the collar! We'll the one with the red end cover had a bad motor and went bang, I had a talk with gaston @ the London convention and he offered me a halo motor to repair it at a nice reasonable cost, so it now has a halo motor in it and I've dumped the circuit board as well and made them both rca, can't fault Mr fkirons for helping-going out to sort things also thanks for replacing the bolt motor on my halo so quickly without any hassles. Top company and a good round bloke thanks again.


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[mattmillerink]

That is freaking super cool.

[johndameart]

Hell yeah!

[crabink]

I dont get it

[ATS]

Nice .. you've now got a 'CHEYLO' :)

[hellraiser6662]

It doesn't have the hawk motor no more it has a halo motor in it! I was thanking Gaston for let me have a halo motor to fix my downed hawk. Yea a black hawk down haha

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[Shawn]

That baby has some power now!!

[hellraiser6662]

I go for che-lo, it's a revolutionary rotary 'power to the people' haha

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[hellraiser6662]

Haha a che-lo

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[hellraiser6662]

Haha a che-lo

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[ATS]

haha viva la (R)Evolution!!

[Patrick]

Just curious how difficult it is to convert the cheyenne machines to RCA? I absolutely love my thunder and spirit. I just hate switching cords out every time I want to use one.

[hellraiser6662]

It's easy to do I'll take some pics and explain in my dyslexic way haha

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[Patrick]

That would be awesome! Thanks, man!

[fkirons]

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Hahahah Che-lo. so funny, believe it or not I was born in the same city as Che Guevara. Rosario, Argentina. My house close to his house.
In fact I think you should call it a "Hawlo"

[redrichie]

Any updates on that rca conversion? Please... Lol

[hellraiser6662]

I've got a day off Monday so inbetween do my drawings I'll do the pics and how to.

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[Patrick]

That would be great. Thanks!!!

[tatu richie]

daaaaumn now i have to do this

[redrichie]

Yep then me hawk and ego will be the same with a proper cord. Word.

[hellraiser6662]

Right here goes I've done mine so I'm just showing you how to undo The hawk other machines might be different http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/19/tuza7anu.jpg#1 undo The rear cover anti-clockwise, under that are 3 0.9 Allenkey grub screws remove them very important. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/19/e4aneby5.jpg#2 pull the connection out unsolder it from the two wires, make note of the + as it needs to goto the centre of the rca,http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/19/8y5udyjy.jpg #3 now undo The main body anti-clockwise it will unscrew all the way off, now you can see a circuit board contected to the back of the motor, I've done away with that but it's your choice if you do, you can now solder some longer wire if you don't think it the old wires will reach for you to solder a rca to it. #4 screw the body back together with the wires poking out the back, solder your rca on and use little shrink rap, push the rca in the hole, it won't go right in because of the case, then put the 3 allen key grub screws back in. You can centralise the rca with the 3 allen grubs fit the end cover and it's done.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/19/yqu4yzu7.jpg

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[hellraiser6662]

If you need to mo've the motor there is one allen key grub screw in pic 3 that needs to be undone and well as the front plate and the little Allen grub then pull the push rod out http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/19/e9e8e3y9.jpg then the motor can be moved, the cam is only glued on, on the hawk motors. I think that's it any hassles just let me know and I'll try and help, plus I did find that the motor ran faster once I replaced the rca on the hawk as both my hawks have now got rca.

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[hellraiser6662]

If you need to mo've the motor there is one allen key grub screw in pic 3 that needs to be undone and well as the front plate and the little Allen grub pull the rod out of the cam http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/19/e9e8e3y9.jpg then the motor can moved, the cam is only glued on, on the hawk motors. I think that's it any hassles just let me know and I'll try and help, plus I did find that the motor ran faster once I replaced the rca on the hawk as both my hawks have now got rca.

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[redrichie]

No shit. Sweet. Thanks man.

[Patrick]

Okay, so I've tried and broken, bent or stripped four different allen wrenches. All .9mm. Any recommendations on loosening those gatdammed grub screws? I didn't want to ruin the electronics with solvent.

[hellraiser6662]

We'll it was the same with me them bloody small Allen keys are just so Bitcho, my be a little heat might help?

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[Patrick]

Thanks. I'll try that.

[tatu richie]

Damn wish u wernt do far away bcause id pay u to do all mine. I aint too mech smart haha

[Patrick]

Success!!!
But not without a few complications. A word of warning if you're going to try this. Cheyenne uses some kind of putty or glue on the threads of the grub screws and body pieces. A heat gun will help loosen it. But I'd recommend getting a high quality screwdriver-style Allen wrench. Got mine off Amazon for $12. And you'll need a pair of channel locks to get the body apart. Be sure to wrap the shit out of them with cloth or gaffers tape. I scratched the bodies of my thunder and spirit trying to get them apart. Rewiring them is super easy and they are both running even smoother than before. I'd be happy to help anyone else with this. If interested, let me know.
Cheers!

[hellraiser6662]

Together we rule the pulling apart of Cheyenne machines haha if it's got thread lock it is design to loosen under a bit of heat, the hawk dosent seem to have so much goo in the threads

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[Machined Ink]

I converted my Thunder to RCA also. I just got a critical CX1-G2, any suggestions on how I if/how I can get it to run on it? I use a lab power supply at home and the thunder run on it any voltage no problems but it's frustrating to just have spent $165 on a power supply and it doesn't run the machine I use most. Any help would be great. Thanks in advance

[darkness]

to you use the startup cable that you need for the thunder ?

The Start-Up Assistance is a molded board which is integrated in the cable. It is used to support the Hawk Thunder machine for 3rd party power units such as Eikon and Critical. With the help of the start-up cable the Thunder runs on 4-5 volts. The Spirit in comparison starts on 9-10 volts.

[Machined Ink]

I have a startup cable but can't use it because I converted my thunder to RCA

[darkness]

than change the connection on the cable to RCA or you go in a shop and buy a converter to RCA - its cheap and not a big work

[Patrick]

I've been using my Thunder without the startup cable for months now (with my CX1, 1st gen). I run it around 7-9 volts usually. I use mainly t-techs, which have less tension than Cheyenne carts. If the carts won't start while in the machine, try inserting them with it running. I do that with my stylus and it works great.

[Patrick]

I will say both my thunder and spirit seem to run smoother and require less voltage since switching over to RCA.

[Machined Ink]

Yeah that's my problem, it won't even run without the carts

[Patrick]

Hmmmm. If the CX-1 works with other machines, maybe check the wiring on your thunder and RCA (proper connections, not grounding out, etc.). If it doesn't, I'd contact critical. They're pretty good about customer service.

[Machined Ink]

Yeah, I'm visiting family out of town right now and don't have any tools or even the start-up cable with me so I can't really mess around with it until I get home. I don't know how any wiring would get messed up because I soldered and heat shrank everything and the 3 set screws have the RCA held in place like a rock. You could be right though. It's just frustrating because I can't do anything about it while I'm away. Thanks for the help guys. At least I know now it should work!

[Machined Ink]

By the way. I should have started a new thread. I'm sorry I didn't mean to hi jack!

[hellraiser6662]

Have you got the wires the wrong way round? - To +, the hawk won't work if the wires are not + to +, for a quick out of town fix just cut your clip cord and swop it around its a easy fix if that's your problem other wise it could be earthing out, remove the rca out of the body, connect the power supply and see what happens.

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[darkness]

have now change 8 thunders with RCA - for me and some coworkers, friends and works great and runs really better now. No probs - thanks for the info !!!

[hellraiser6662]

That's what's this thread is all about helping people do things like change to rca, and problems related to doing it. It all spreading the love haha

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[Machined Ink]

UPDATE! I'm home from vacation and I took apart my thunder and took off the circuit board and success! It runs prefect on my new critical cx1-g2. So if your thinking of converting your hawk to RCA or whatever and are not using a lab power supply, I suggest you take off the circuit board while your converting. My thunder is now the perfect machine! Thanks for all the help guys. I love this forum!

[Patrick]

I might try and post a quick how-to video. It sounds scary to tear apart an expensive machine like this. But, in truth, it's really easy and way more convenient for the working tattooer who has a variety of machines. I'm glad you got the issue sorted out Machined Ink!

[needlemaniak]

I would love to see a video !


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[Patrick]

Here you go. I hope it helps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hD7I6A0IJA

[No Iron Machines]

basicly the problem is that ELECTRONIC CIRCUIT, just need remove that shit and machine run smoother without need to change to RCA, but of course, most of the machine on market have normal CLIPCORD or RCA, so have sense to put RCA, sure

good video my friend, good advise for everybody, nice

[needlemaniak]

Thanks a lot bizarro12 ! Your video is perfect !


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[Ofeloner]

Would a hair dryr work instead of a heat gun?.whatcha think??.

[Ofeloner]

Oh and instead of heat shrink wrap would electrical tape do the trick?.

[hellraiser6662]

I've used electrical tape the first time I done it years ago and I had no problems

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[Ofeloner]

Coolio,, thanx

[Patrick]

I think a hair dryer would probably work fine. Just keep it on there for a little longer. And, yeah, electrical tape is just fine.

[Ofeloner]

Awesome..thank you thank you..appreciated :)

[Ofeloner]

Would 20 gadge wire work?.its door bell wireing?.

[Patrick]

I don't see why not...

[Ofeloner]

Fuck..got stuck at the part where I need the .9mm alan key..gonna hit up hobby town tomarrow morning. .hope all goes well..

[Ofeloner]

And its running now..thank you everyone!!!

[asA]

24601 started 2 toning my hawks today.. I'm gonna totally disassemble them and try and flip flop every piece. But I ran into a stripped grub screw... so this will do for now.

[Ofeloner]

My thunder is converted to rca, I use it with a critical, , anybody else use this setup?. What volts are you finding works good for u?. I had mine set up with a mag the other day and it was spitting ink all over,..

[luckyyoutattoo]

i also take of the circuitboard on the thunder but didnt put a rca on it,,,,,,,, made it clipcord i love clippys

[Patrick]

I use a critical CX-1 with mine. After removing the circuit board, I run it between 5.5-8.5 volts for almost everything.

[hellraiser6662]

24601 started 2 toning my hawks today.. I'm gonna totally disassemble them and try and flip flop every piece. But I ran into a stripped grub screw... so this will do for now.

How did you get the grips apart? Asa. And do the early grips come part the same way?

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[asA]

Posted a quick photo stitch of the guts of a grip. It just takes cracking the glue on the threads.. and then watch out for flying parts!!! Haha.

[daibead]

Great thread. Bought a rca conversion a year ago. Love it. The motor is going on it. I have another new thunder I would like to convert. I was wondering if someone could do for me, as I'm afraid I may mess it up. I'm willing to pay. I'm based in Ireland. Thanks

[Ofeloner]

I ended up breaking one of the metal thingys on the motor,,is there away I can get a new motor?.any suggestions?.please and thanx :)

[hellraiser6662]

I asked gaston from fki and he sold me a halo motor or Maxton motor the right size will work.

[hellraiser6662]

Great thread. Bought a rca conversion a year ago. Love it. The motor is going on it. I have another new thunder I would like to convert. I was wondering if someone could do for me, as I'm afraid I may mess it up. I'm willing to pay. I'm based in Ireland. Thanks
As long as you undo the small Allen keys that hold their connection in place. You'll be fine that's the ones if you don't undo first as you twist the body open it will rip away from the motor. Plus some times you need a little heat on the body as they use lock tight on the threads so it makes it hard to twist apart.

[Ofeloner]

I asked gaston from fki and he sold me a halo motor or Maxton motor the right size will work.

Thanx man! :),I'll hit him up,

[daibead]

As long as you undo the small Allen keys that hold their connection in place. You'll be fine that's the ones if you don't undo first as you twist the body open it will rip away from the motor. Plus some times you need a little heat on the body as they use lock tight on the threads so it makes it hard to twist apart.

thank you hellraiser. I will do that. Thanks :)