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hendricksonart.com
05-11-2011, 01:37 AM
Well got my machine today, ordered it the 7th of last month, the wait was fine just wish I had an idea from the start the wait time was that long, I probably would have been more patient and not send an email every week wondering if this was going to be the week. The website said two weeks they told my buddy over the phone two weeks. So just a little information and communication would have solved my slight impatience. It didn't help getting damon mailer returns from every email sent out not knowing if they got it or not. Any ways few bumps with that, no biggie its a new company and Im sure they are swamped with new orders and will be getting all that stuff figured out, Ill add they did get back to me with all my emails within a day or so,

This is only my second rotary so I only have to compare it to my cheap long stroke stealth which Ive actually been quite happy with. I kinda had it in my head that besides the quality of the rotary that they would tattoo pretty much the same. Its not like a coil where you have different weight springs coils armature bars frames etc so many different variables that cause them to run differently. With rotarys I thought well you have a motor causing a back and forth motion etc with no give besides some with a small amount of give something I am not sure I want or need. I realize some are linear some are not but with a given same stroke I really thought they would feel the same.

So first the machine looks really incredible even cooler looking then the photos Its very well built and couldn't be happier with the way it looks feels and sounds. Today I tattooed a leg for about three hours starting a new tattoo of a octupus, do not have photos and wont until its finished. I was really blown away with this thing tattoos so nice and effortlessly and definitely different then my stealth. My coworker who I have been trying to get to use my stealth for the last month but really doesnt like change actually asked to use it after seeing mine and also really like it, and will more then likely be buying one soon. I thought there would be more give since it said It had a spring dampener on it but I couldn't really notice one maybe ever so slightly but not much which I think is a good thing. The machine seems to hit pretty hard with a lot of power more torque then the stealth. Im not sure what else to say other then Im really happy with my purchase. I will update this more as I tattoo other parts of the body. The leg is something I have found rotarys work very well on, so far there has been a few areas of the body where I like to get a coil out. It will be interesting on how I like the bishop on some of those areas.


Well I wanted to give an honest review and if I seemed harsh about the shipping times etc its because its the only thing I really have to critique the machine is really well worth the wait and purchase and I think they just got some things figured out that will make the wait less but dont quote me on that

here is a photo of my machine Im to lazy to upload it to a sight that can put it to this sight and I cant take the url from facebook any more http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=202083333162752&set=a.101998609837892.4228.100000832615311&type=1&theater

Alie K
05-11-2011, 01:52 AM
Bummer. Says "content unavailable". Boo.

Have you tried your rotary on 'squishy' areas yet?

hendricksonart.com
05-11-2011, 02:21 AM
Not this one yet, thats the areas I was referring to those are the areas I still like to use my coils, I will update when i do

hendricksonart.com
05-11-2011, 02:22 AM
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/223297_202083333162752_100000832615311_480987_2345 601_n.jpg

phil geck
05-12-2011, 01:48 AM
man i ordered my bishop the same day you ordered yours! got it the same as you, as well.. i love it too! its so f'n smooth.. i used a stealth as well before.. and a few cheap ebay buys from china... sorry, im sure alot of builders got ripped off from those china machines. i was just curious to see if i'd even like tattooing with a rotary before i made the leap of buying an expensive reliable one...
anyways.. i had a few questions for you.. what do you think of the needle clip? i dont see why people hate on rubber bands? when i first got and used the bishop it was loud and i had to run it pretty high.. but i took the needle out of the needle clip and let it rest on it instead.. used one rubber band.. and voila ! it was quiet as hell, ran on a much lower setting. and smooooooth as fuck! i love that thang.. i just did this kurt cobain portrait tonight.. with a curved 18 bugpin mag... it never bled (not saying that my tattoos usually do.) but this machine cut my tattoo time in half.. i fuckin love my bishop..
have you tryed not using the needle clip?
and what needle groups do you usually use with your rotary machines?
i usually use curved mags..http://<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v669/rippedntorn82/?action=view&amp;current=219222_183276941721621_100001 179493005_405718_2099279_o.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/rippedntorn82/219222_183276941721621_100001179493005_405718_2099 279_o.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

hendricksonart.com
05-12-2011, 02:25 AM
link didnt work. Only used it for one tattoo with a seven mag I had a cancellation today so just spent the day drawing, I didn't mind the needle clip but yeah I did have to run the machine pretty high but its what they suggested, I usually like long taper for color but for what ever reason with rotarys I have gone back to the medium taper from Mithra since I have more control of the needle I dont find long tapers as necessary and can work faster tomorow is a five six hour appointment on an arm ill post pics

Zophod12
05-12-2011, 03:06 AM
i bend the needle a little and, the thing is so quite no one else in the shop will answer the phone they all think i'm sleeping or something! nice machine still wondering how much of that lube you apply i'm sure that video will be up soon.
and i hate to tell you this but you are technically stocked with only one machine,, stoked is the word!!!

phil geck
05-12-2011, 03:17 AM
yeah im gonna keep trying to run it with and without the needle clip and see which one i like better.. so far it seems to me without works just fine.. im gonna give it a few more trys before i come to any final conclusions.
this was taken with my ipod so the quality isnt that great
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/rippedntorn82/219222_183276941721621_100001179493005_405718_2099 279_o.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/rippedntorn82/260.jpg

phil geck
05-12-2011, 03:25 AM
yeah i usually use long tapers. just started using the bugpin curved mags.. they are pretty awesome. but it coulda just been the girls arm. she was ghost white and the ink just slid right in... i got some med tapers from cam i'll try. if you do have something big or a portrait i would def suggest the curved mags even the bugpins cuz they are alot less damaging to the skin and you can layer alot easier..

Alie K
05-12-2011, 09:54 AM
what do you think of the needle clip? i dont see why people hate on rubber bands? when i first got and used the bishop it was loud and i had to run it pretty high.. but i took the needle out of the needle clip and let it rest on it instead.. used one rubber band.. and voila ! it was quiet as hell, ran on a much lower setting.
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That's really interesting. I wonder why it was so much quietier without using the needle clip? My Neotats have the clip and I have never noticed anything like that. Maybe it has something to do with the rubber grommets you use? Maybe they push the eye of the needle very far forward, and you need to compensate by resting the needle bar on top of the clip instead of snapping it in? I also use a 1 in square of paper towel instead of a rubber nipple. I fold it in half twice. Maybe that allows the needle eye to be further back?

I think most people just enjoy the idea of not having to keep buying rubber bands all the time becaue they dispose of them after each tattoo.

Alie K
05-12-2011, 10:01 AM
sorry i cant figure out how to post a picture on here

Here's a turotial from the 'getting started' thread on how to upload a photo from your computer. You can also use the (IMG) codes from sites like photobucket or tinypic if you have anything uploaded there. (http://www.rotarytattoo.com/showthread.php/13-Two-Ways-to-Upload-Pictures-to-a-Thread)

phil geck
05-12-2011, 12:44 PM
yeah that is true, one less thing you have to buy.. ya know i like to bend my needle enough so that it feeds correctly.. i felt like when i used the needle clip that it made it have more torque or that it was holding it down too much... maybe i don't need to bend my needle bar so much.. i'm gonna give it a go today and see what a difference it makes.

phil geck
05-12-2011, 12:46 PM
yeah im retarded when it comes to posting pix. thank you!

The Limey
05-12-2011, 12:49 PM
I don't have a Bishop but if I bend the needle bar on my Neotat which has a similar needle clip, it feels like the needles are dragging on the tube.

hendricksonart.com
05-12-2011, 01:13 PM
< didn't bend needle bar It came with a rubber grommet so i figured they had it all figured out with spacing alignment etc fed great

phil geck
05-12-2011, 01:56 PM
tight. im gonna try that today. no bend and see how it feeds and feels.. thanks guys

nathan bauer
05-13-2011, 01:01 AM
Did you all mail in money orders or paypal or sometjing. Just wonderin,cuz i sent my mo in on april12 and am still waiting. I was told 10 days,So i figured 10 business days after they got my m.o..Well its now business day 18 or 19!. Not bitchin,just want my machine!!!

Administrator
05-13-2011, 01:19 AM
Shoot Franco a PM, he is on here every other day and pretty quick to respond to PMs on here.

nathan bauer
05-13-2011, 01:21 AM
Im gonna wait and see if it shows up tommorrey.Im sure he is super busy.I was just wonderin everyone elses situation.

phil geck
05-13-2011, 01:37 AM
i sent money though paypal. it took quite some while... over a month.. yeah i had to be patient...

phil geck
05-13-2011, 01:39 AM
so i didnt bend the needle today. worked much better. quiet. smooth and awesome! tryed it with the rubber band as well.. worked good too. i think i'll stick to the clip tho. anyone have trouble getting the needle out of the clip?

hendricksonart.com
05-13-2011, 03:24 AM
first tattoo start to finish with bishop and 11 mag http://zhippo.com/Inkaholics,TheRogueElephanttheRogueElepahntMEMBERS/images/gallery/fractured%20skull%202.jpg

nathan bauer
05-13-2011, 03:49 AM
Really smooth piece. Very nice...
Just to p.s. my first post,I dont want to sound like Im bashing Bishop rotary in any form . Just anxious to get my bishop.I have no problem waiting for awesome handmade tools......but i want a cool machine too...i wanna do super shiny tattoos!lol

hendricksonart.com
05-13-2011, 11:20 AM
You probably got another week mine took a month and thanks for the compliments

slicksteel
05-13-2011, 11:47 AM
very nice -smooth as butta!

nathan bauer
05-13-2011, 01:02 PM
Yup. Just sent Franco an email.He repsonded almost instantly(as he always does). Looks like my machine is shipping on monday!!!!!

fkirons
05-13-2011, 02:13 PM
it takes what it takes people! Now let Franco work in Piece :) ;) I am waiting for the one he promised as well :)

Alie K
05-13-2011, 04:18 PM
Maybe I'll get one someday...maybe orange with a tiger in the porthole or pink with a kitten in the porthole... hmmmm

Maybe when things calm down and they are not in such high demand and they ship out faster...(waiting = BOO!) :p

nathan bauer
05-13-2011, 04:36 PM
it takes what it takes people! Now let Franco work in Piece :) ;) I am waiting for the one he promised as well :)

He said 10 days ,been over double that.and thats business days!!!!!Im moving in 2 weeks so you can understand why Im wondering when my machine is comin!!!!

nathan bauer
05-13-2011, 04:37 PM
Ya Alie,Im gettin an orange bishop with a tusken raider on the motor!!!!A tusken raider shader!!! orh orr orgh orghh orrgh orr (which is tusken for Im super stoked!!)

phil geck
05-13-2011, 05:35 PM
thats awesome hendrickson!

spider
05-27-2011, 04:55 PM
i did a rib piece with my bishop.had a hard time getting it to pack color.had to break out my coil machine to finish it.works great for the arms and legs haven't done the back yet

peter clements
05-27-2011, 06:13 PM
I wonder when Franco will have the new machine available-the dedicated liner? I'm really looking forward to that.

Zapp
05-27-2011, 06:16 PM
I wonder when Franco will have the new machine available-the dedicated liner? I'm really looking forward to that.
Me too :-)

wildboy
08-08-2011, 04:01 PM
Got my Bishop today waited two days for the delivery, I was lucky to buy one directley from a German supplier... I can only imagine what kind of pain it must have been for you guys waiting that long for the machine to arrive... The machine is black I would have preferred a purple one but the different color = more waiting time made my decision easy ^^ At least I have the RCA version I wanted.

So far so good I just had the chance to run it without actually tattooing today but Ill use it tomorrow cant wait to do so...

First impression of the machine is really really good its a solid machine and it feels great holding it seems like the perfect weight for a rotary to me not too light and not to heavy...

Had a little trouble though getting the machine to work properly there was a spring between the slide mechanism and the frame that was actually so strong the machine didnt start until I pushed it manually. Even on a higher voltage like 13 something the machine wasnt able to start running again after stepping on the foot switch. Any advice on this problem? Maybe the spring is too long? Do it need it for any other reason than pushing the slide in its upward position?

What kind of lube is the best for the machine? I read something on ordering a lubricant directley from the manufacturer but the shop isnt online...

Administrator
08-08-2011, 04:24 PM
"super-lube" seems to be the one people like the most. I would check since you are in Germany with Zapp or the Limey what they have found in the EU that works best since I am not sure if the super-lube brand is available out there.

As far as the spring, I would not remove or cut it. Probably best to shoot Franco a PM on here or email the folks at Bishop. It may be something really simple to remedy.

wildboy
08-08-2011, 04:39 PM
Is this the right stuff?

http://www.amazon.de/Powerslide-Herren-Reinigungsmittel-Schmiermittel-Teflon/dp/B0044SMWDC

Administrator
08-08-2011, 04:42 PM
the stuff I have seen looks like this:

http://www.aaaindustrialsupply.com/ProductImages/superlube/51010resized.JPG

Rather then mucking about with Amazon I would ask Zapp what he uses, I am almost sure he has a Bishop and know he is in Germany.

The Limey
08-08-2011, 04:58 PM
I actually got mine on amazon.

Administrator
08-08-2011, 05:10 PM
I stand corrected then. I hate having to order stuff online but do forget I live in a major metropolitan city and if I need superlube I can get it pretty close to my home.

The Limey
08-08-2011, 07:21 PM
I'm sure I could get it locally if I tried but with parking in the city costing £5 it was cheaper to order from Amazon although now I don't want it yesterday, its actually cheaper to buy it on ebay.

Zapp
08-08-2011, 07:52 PM
the stuff I have seen looks like this:

http://www.aaaindustrialsupply.com/ProductImages/superlube/51010resized.JPG

Rather then mucking about with Amazon I would ask Zapp what he uses, I am almost sure he has a Bishop and know he is in Germany.

Yes,you are right !
Its the best stuff, i use it for my rotaryworks,neotat,bishop ....
It was not soooo easy to find someone in europe but i find a onlinshop in Austria !
Its not to cheap but one of those will last forever !
3860
Here it is,check it out !
http://fast-shop.at/product_info.php?info=p6_SUPER-LUBE-Fett---Tube-85gramm.html

peter clements
08-09-2011, 02:02 PM
Yes,you are right !
Its the best stuff, i use it for my rotaryworks,neotat,bishop ....
It was not soooo easy to find someone in europe but i find a onlinshop in Austria !
Its not to cheap but one of those will last forever !
3860
Here it is,check it out !
http://fast-shop.at/product_info.php?info=p6_SUPER-LUBE-Fett---Tube-85gramm.html

very useful link, I'm gonna get some of this stuff.

Administrator
08-09-2011, 02:08 PM
This is something perhaps the rotary portal guys should consider carrying for the EU market.

wildboy
08-09-2011, 04:36 PM
The shipping cost is insane for ordering one piece only it actually trippled the price with cod to Germany...

Ive used the Bishop today for lining it went ok for a first try actually it was way easier with the bishop compared to a swiss... I already love the machine very silent consistent action and the needle clip did the job perfectly I want another one for sure...

Zapp
08-09-2011, 07:40 PM
The shipping cost is insane for ordering one piece only it actually trippled the price with cod to Germany...

Ive used the Bishop today for lining it went ok for a first try actually it was way easier with the bishop compared to a swiss... I already love the machine very silent consistent action and the needle clip did the job perfectly I want another one for sure...

You ask for it and i tell you !
Something special cost special !!!!!

wildboy
08-10-2011, 01:16 AM
Of course youre right... Thank you very much for the link I really appreciate it

The Limey
08-10-2011, 05:13 AM
Grab some from eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SYNCO-SUPERLUBE-MULTI-PURPOSE-POCKET-LUBE-OIL-1-x-7ML-/360264496861?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item53e16ff6dd)

Zapp
08-10-2011, 06:45 AM
Grab some from eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SYNCO-SUPERLUBE-MULTI-PURPOSE-POCKET-LUBE-OIL-1-x-7ML-/360264496861?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item53e16ff6dd)

The grease is mutch more better !!!!
Oil is a totaly mess !!!!

Alie K
08-11-2011, 11:55 PM
The shipping cost is insane for ordering one piece only it actually trippled the price with cod to Germany...


Send me a PM with your mailing address, I have a spare (superlube pen) one here that came with a big neotat order. I will drop it in the mail for you this weekend.

This one:

http://www.aaaindustrialsupply.com/ProductImages/superlube/51010resized.JPG

wildboy
08-13-2011, 04:23 AM
Thank you Alie. I ordered the stuff from Amazon I posted Im a little confused though if it isnt even the same as Super Lube?

This is what I bought:

3876

And I also found this on the web looking for the same description...


3877

Anyways this stuff is great as far as I can tell without any comparison to other products. But I can definitely tell that the Bishop is even more silent than it was before after I applied some of this stuff.

The Bishop is the best thing Ive bought in years its just amazing how this machine works... Im still trying to make it work for me as a liner but all the lines I try to pull of with it turn out a lot thinner than usual, Ive tried a 5 round 0,30(10) liner, a 5 round 0,35(12) liner, a 7 round 0,35(12) liner and a 5 round 0,35(12) shader all longtaper needles so far. I had the best results with the 7 round at 9.9 volts. I went up to 10.5 with the round shader. Maybe I will switch to a larger grouping generally.

Deakon
08-14-2011, 05:23 PM
This is something perhaps the rotary portal guys should consider carrying for the EU market.

Thanks for the heads up, i'll look into it!

hendricksonart.com
08-14-2011, 06:07 PM
I use regular il scilicone oil nothing special, it's made for plastics and metals ao not sure I need anything better, if it works for Airsoft guns, it should be pletly good enogh?

slicksteel
08-14-2011, 08:01 PM
Thank you Alie. I ordered the stuff from Amazon I posted Im a little confused though if it isnt even the same as Super Lube?

This is what I bought:

3876

And I also found this on the web looking for the same description...


3877

Anyways this stuff is great as far as I can tell without any comparison to other products. But I can definitely tell that the Bishop is even more silent than it was before after I applied some of this stuff.

The Bishop is the best thing Ive bought in years its just amazing how this machine works... Im still trying to make it work for me as a liner but all the lines I try to pull of with it turn out a lot thinner than usual, Ive tried a 5 round 0,30(10) liner, a 5 round 0,35(12) liner, a 7 round 0,35(12) liner and a 5 round 0,35(12) shader all longtaper needles so far. I had the best results with the 7 round at 9.9 volts. I went up to 10.5 with the round shader. Maybe I will switch to a larger grouping generally.

I used to play paint ball for years on high end guns-there lubes are some of the best around for plastics ,rubbers metals etc.

As you are useing a clip linear machine you are actually get a true needle stroke. On coils,direct drive rotarys,swash drives you will get a bigger line as there is more wobble.
look at the needle grouping and then the line, standard groupings needle tips are actully very thin if you loop it, we are just used to a coil machine making a bigger line as the needle tends to jig about in the skin causing a fatter line.
Try a bullet tip liner with the bishop/neo tat and you will get a bigger line as the taper is not as thin and sharp,so the tip is just a bit smaller then the shank area.

Alie K
08-14-2011, 10:33 PM
Thank you Alie. I ordered the stuff from Amazon I posted Im a little confused though if it isnt even the same as Super Lube?

This is what I bought:

3876

And I also found this on the web looking for the same description...


3877

Anyways this stuff is great as far as I can tell without any comparison to other products. But I can definitely tell that the Bishop is even more silent than it was before after I applied some of this stuff.

The Bishop is the best thing Ive bought in years its just amazing how this machine works... Im still trying to make it work for me as a liner but all the lines I try to pull of with it turn out a lot thinner than usual, Ive tried a 5 round 0,30(10) liner, a 5 round 0,35(12) liner, a 7 round 0,35(12) liner and a 5 round 0,35(12) shader all longtaper needles so far. I had the best results with the 7 round at 9.9 volts. I went up to 10.5 with the round shader. Maybe I will switch to a larger grouping generally.


Looks a little different. You may have gotten a grease or paste lube instead of the liquid version. I'm not an expert on lubes, so I'm not sure if it will have an adverse effect, but I'm sure it's better than nothing at all. As long as it's either the same brand, or is meant for the same types of materials, it should be fine, right?

slicksteel
08-15-2011, 12:53 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Lubricant-Protectant-Aerosol-Eco-friendly/dp/B003GTT5LW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1313383913&sr=8-2
This is s (http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Lubricant-Protectant-Aerosol-Eco-friendly/dp/B003GTT5LW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1313383913&sr=8-2)afe for tattoo machines and is non-toxic to us, be care with toxic lubes as they can get on gloves etc and transfer to the client.

wildboy
08-15-2011, 06:15 AM
This is safe for tattoo machines and is non-toxic to us, be care with toxic lubes as they can get on gloves etc and transfer to the client.

The Super Lube stuff I bought isnt going anywhere after application so I think this wont be an issue theres nothing running or dripping.

Ill post a pic of the description which is on the tube but I think its suitable for the machines slider mechanism.

Bishopbyname
08-15-2011, 06:48 AM
I've looked on the UK Amazon site and i found a product called Super Lube and it was manufactured by a company called Loctite which are well known in the UK for their adhesives.

Tat2dPinoy
08-15-2011, 07:28 AM
The Super Lube stuff I bought isnt going anywhere after application so I think this wont be an issue theres nothing running or dripping.

Ill post a pic of the description which is on the tube but I think its suitable for the machines slider mechanism.

Super Lube is what Franco recommends to use on the Bishop. I use Super Lube on all my rotaries and use very little, don't use oil for it can get into the motors more easily

wildboy
08-15-2011, 01:52 PM
As you are useing a clip linear machine you are actually get a true needle stroke. On coils,direct drive rotarys,swash drives you will get a bigger line as there is more wobble.
look at the needle grouping and then the line, standard groupings needle tips are actully very thin if you loop it, we are just used to a coil machine making a bigger line as the needle tends to jig about in the skin causing a fatter line.
Try a bullet tip liner with the bishop/neo tat and you will get a bigger line as the taper is not as thin and sharp,so the tip is just a bit smaller then the shank area.

Hmmm I had the same issue (not sure if you can even call it like that) with the Swiss Rotary so I think it might be the whole rotary system machines that result in thinner lines. Maybe its because of the way the needle hits the skin, with a rotary to me it feels like the ink is pushed into the skin while the coil hammers the ink into it... Just a thought...

wildboy
09-02-2011, 03:40 AM
I used the Bishop for colouring a couple of times with a 9 mag and I must say its an awesome tool for that job... Its like 1st pass solid color and still be able to layer without overworking the skin. 8.8volts seems to do the trick for me

facetat2ed
09-06-2011, 04:04 PM
i got the same prob with my bishop rca version did u solve it¿?

wildboy
09-06-2011, 04:22 PM
what are you referring to?

Administrator
09-06-2011, 04:36 PM
Maybe a polarity issue?

wildboy
09-06-2011, 04:38 PM
wrong thread then... http://www.rotarytattoo.com/showthread.php/1846-polarity-on-Bishop

Administrator
09-06-2011, 04:40 PM
Or he is having trouble finding the lube? thanks for finding that thread. :)