"New" Hawk Pen !!!!

[Zapp]

Looks like Cheyenne Hawk bring out a new machine !
http://i60.tinypic.com/168a1ee.jpg

[darkness]

Looks like a copy of the lod !

[johndameart]

interesting. any more pictures?

[adrian the sardinian]

any more info on this ???

[cagelavey]

NEED INFO! Got to know what is up with this before I explode

[OwlsDen]

Remember that the designer of the LOD was the designer of the Cheyenne Spirit if memory serves me. Maybe he went back to designing for them.

[Zapp]

I will call Mt.Derm tomorrow and let you know more infos :-D

[nathanhamilton89]

my girlfriend has one of those in her night stand for when im away at conventions think you can find more info at any reputable sex shop selling dildos haha

[cagelavey]

nathanhamilton89 if that's the case ill use this machine the same way I use my dick, and satisfy people by working it, lol

[Zapp]

It is a prototyp an at the berlin convention you had the chance to sign in for a test drive !
It will come out in the first 3 month of 2015 !

[OwlsDen]

It is a prototyp an at the berlin convention you had the chance to sign in for a test drive !
It will come out in the first 3 month of 2015 !

I suppose that there is no further info? Give no give, rotary or electromagnet ( like LOD ) or anything else?

[darkness]

yes the lod builder has work for cheyenne but would never build again for this company -but he has work for the lod since years and i think cheyenne try to bring the own lod on the market

[nathanhamilton89]

haha yeah man.. awk no just poking fun i dont like the look of those machines bit weird but if it runs good and makes my job easier then i dont care what it looks like il use it

[cagelavey]

I was just playing, too, bro. :-)

[skullsugar@lucky13]

yeah the people who cry about others copying them have copied stylus and lod.. niceeeee

[OwlsDen]

yeah the people who cry about others copying them have copied stylus and lod.. niceeeee

Mt. Derm has been in the industry for a long to on the cosmetic side. They have plenty of machines that predate either of those machines that are in the pen type configuration. I do my best not to support them myself, however a pen style machine that can line like butter might persuade me.

[Zapp]

A closer pic !
http://i57.tinypic.com/2udvsq9.jpg

[johndameart]

Brilliant.

[Ofeloner]

How the fuck is it just floating like that??!!!..its fucking magic!..I want that pen!!!!.

[No Iron Machines]

they probable use a RIGID CABLE, fake cable, only for show, so is sty on the air like this...he he he, i think

what is ty think about this machine, they probable use the same motor os the normal THUNDER, so the hit gonna be the same, just the shape change, sound this for me

GOOD PRODUCTS, OF COURSE

[Nedz]

25791
Here is a close up picture the dimension are similar to my MR03 grip, body and motor housing.

I don't know how it works yet but I like to know.

[fkirons_kayleigh]

While I'm not normally one to chime in on these sorts of things...
Cheyenne/ MT Derm has worked with cosmetic/ pen style machines for a while, so I'm not sure I'd start a witch hunt just yet... From what I've seen of their existing pen style machines the internal components are drastically different.
There are several different ways to approach a pen style machine; as you've seen we've got our own version, the Xion, coming out soon as well, but I can guarantee you it's got nothing in common with your MR03... other than the MotorBolt system that originated on the Halo of course ;)

[nivek]

How the fuck is it just floating like that??!!!..its fucking magic!..I want that pen!!!!.

Im guessing the cable is coatede steel or some such thing, the curve of it aqt the bottom creates a nice base

[nathanhamilton89]

Who gives a shit really.. wasnt their a saying that great artist steal.. Every idea has to be sparked from somewhere it has been a long long time before a truly original idea has been done.. if i try the hawk pen and the stylus or something and i like the pen better im not gonna give a shit who invented it first.. the word original and originated gets thrown around alot these days.. I was taking to Nedz at the Titanic convention i learnt that the Victor Portugal needles was not an original design but a design developed further from Ronnie stars idea.. but who cares Ronnie star started it Victor brought it the rest of the way he still gets the credit.. Like the Halo.. The stigma fly was around a long long time before and had the idea of having a motor and separate tops to switch between.. there way of attaching the motor was weak so halo had a screw on bolt which sorted out the problem of a loose connection.. Halo was not the first it just made an idea a lil better..artist use inspiration and put their own spin on something all the time why cant machine builders do something similar take and idea and say you know what i recon i could make this better

[cagelavey]

i agree to a certain extent. i don't believe in intellectual theft at all. but, i do believe in progress and advancement and

that’s another thing all together. Like how t-tech, in my opinion, improved upon the cartridges (with the exception of the rubber protection barrier being absent). They didn’t develop the cart, but they in my opinion improved the tips, with the round cutaway, one piece housing, instead of a two piece design and the needle groupings I believe are better. The point is, previous designers/artists works, are bound 2 inspire new developments in all fields. It’s the blatant ripping off of a product that is incomprehensible. However, without the continuing evolution of an idea all things would become stagnant and unmoving. Inspiration, comes in all forms. One person may not have come up with the idea of the slide for a linear rotary, but that person could look at that slide and think, what if I put a spring under a cap at the end of that slide and gave that machine give? Now that machine has become its own creature all together. We should be inspired by others inventions, but we shouldn’t have to be limited by the scope of that inventor’s vision. We should be allowed/encouraged to take it further, but with respect and acknowledgment to the original idea. If you make a carbon copy of another machine and just change the housing a bit with no advancement of the design, and don’t improve upon the idea just to make your own version for a quick profit, then I whole heartedly disagree, that’s intellectual theft. However, if you improve upon that idea in a way that changes the way it functions and gives the industry something new to be inspired by, then so be it. But judging a machine by a picture and some limited knowledge on how it may have been designed, is pompous and arrogant. We have no idea how this machine functions and even if it shares an lod driven design, we have no idea if this has been improved upon or if its function is superior in some way. We all know there can be two machines with the exact drive systems and yet one machine will function far better than the other, and there can be many different reasons for that, but in most cases it’s because one builder didn’t cut corners and just plain put out a better more well engineered product. Like I said,A just because someone developed an idea doesn’t mean that person developed that idea to its full potential. I for one don’t want to have to use equipment that is sub par when there is someone who can develop it better and improve upon the original in some way. Give me the new better shit any day.

(had to type in word and paste it here, windows 8 and this forum just don't get along, lol)

[brandonmull]

either way, our world is consumer based by wanting the next new thing. nothing matters except being the guy with the most. how many on here use only ONE TATTOO MACHINE? none, i can say that in almost 100 percent certainty without an answer. don't need it. so with that being said, we , the consumer drive the industry to copy, imitate and improve. the way it is is because of us, accept that and now ban all religions since they are behind all wars. stop the money machine !

[brandonmull]

come to think of it, the only innovator i know of was the release of the first iPhone, it created copycats overnight and was the very first. nothing else existed like that.

[cagelavey]

yeah when the i-phone came out it changed the game. but i remember my lil sony Ericson phone i had about 10 years ago, or the razor, when they first had blue tooth and mp3 players intergrated in them, they were also phones, lol. just saying he didn't reinvent the wheel either, he just showed everyone exactly what could be done if you took it farther than anyone else had. jmho

[fkirons]

To end with this dispute once and for all:>>
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http://www.nouveaucontourusa.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=76:simplicity-the-portable-permanent-cosmetics-device-&catid=34

a) Nouveau which is a partner company of MT Derm I believe, they created a pen style machine like this years ago and I believe they have been in the market before the actual Hawk Machines and before you even thought that one day we would tattoo with a machine like these ones.
With that said they have the right to evolve on their own original idea.

b) The Marksman was the first tattoo pen style machine, good or bad , but it was the first one to challenge that design.

c) Now I get back to work. :)

[cagelavey]

It's all evolution, as we become more knowledgeable, technologically, intellectually, etc. New things are born from that.I think it's wrong to hinder advancement in any regard. There is like a mini government in the tattoo industry now, that hinders ingenuity, born from ignorance and fear. People fear change, and fear the loss of their profits. and fear things that are unfamiliar. If it is beneficial and furthers progress then there is nothing wrong with that. If you choose to stay at a certain speed, then stay in your lane, but don't be pissed when the kat in the bugatti, zips passed ya. Jmho. Change in the name of progress is human nature.

[fkirons]

Tattooing and Tattoo equipment stalled for quiet a few year and I'm talking a lot of years. It was then that some young dare devils decided to do their own thing and that led to a massive change in such a small amount of time. Anil Gupta, Paul Booth, Mike DeVries, Guy Aitchison, Nikko, Carson Hill and the Neuma, these are some of the people that we owe them for making tattooing what it has become today.

[cagelavey]

i agree gaston, my first experience with rotary machines was the o.g. neotat, but i definitely don't think that rotaries would have gained as much steam if it weren't for guys like Carson Hill and his neuma machine. its all just a continuance of guys like him and the others you mentioned, stigma, and the fly machine, etc. not that the neuma came first but it opened peoples eyes as to what was possible. im amazed and honored be able to see the apex of all that is happening right now

[nivek]

come to think of it, the only innovator i know of was the release of the first iPhone, it created copycats overnight and was the very first. nothing else existed like that.

Not to derail but - Iphones are just as much a copy as anything else. they took other phones features and refined them, icons, camera etc all predated the iphone. Apple just did what they usually do, refine it make it looks stylish and then overcharge the crap outta you for it. Hell Macs are the same thing, "pc" components in a pretty box with a simplified os.

[cagelavey]

That's what I was saying about the razr, etc. Quite a few years before the I phone, blue tooth, cameras,mp3, and phone. The tattoo industry is no different than the car industry or anything else like that. you have Chevy vs Ford, Mercedes vs bmw, Toyota vs Honda,etc. Same type drive systems, with subtle differences that make them stand apart from each other. It's no different with tattoo machines, and supplies, etc. Time will tell what stays and what goes, and it will evolve based on what works and what doesn't, simple as that.

[evlink2006]

Not to derail but - Iphones are just as much a copy as anything else. they took other phones features and refined them, icons, camera etc all predated the iphone. Apple just did what they usually do, refine it make it looks stylish and then overcharge the crap outta you for it. Hell Macs are the same thing, "pc" components in a pretty box with a simplified os.

Except you have it backwards. Apple was around before PC especially windows. Apple designed the first GUI style interface and when Gates left apple he snagged the source code and has been playing catch up ever since.

[brandonmull]

Apple was the first computer for home use. The iphone i refer to is the touchscreen and bringing a totally radical device that changed everything. Who on here owns a phone that is not touchscreen???

[cagelavey]

The first touchscreen phone was the IBM Simon, launched in 1992. During this decade the popular iPaq (not made by Apple by the way) was launched with touchscreens and optional phone attachments. HTC, the leader in touchscreen phones up until the iPhone and makers of phones like the Nexus One launched their first touchscreen phone, the HTC Wallaby aka XDA in 2002. like I've been trying to say, Steve Jobs may not have invented the touch screen phone but he took the idea and made it worth something. which is the argument in a nut shell. don't be limited by someone else's vision, if you can make it better, you should be able to do so, just like steve jobs, or FKI, Cheyenne, t-tech, bishop, neotat, etc. evolve or die, its nature, and its our nature, plain and simple.

[brandonmull]

Speaking of derailing, i got ttechs, i have been using them, and i have got to say i think it is a pretty cool
setup!

[fkirons]

The iPhone was unique an many ways and forced everyone to evolve towards their line or disappear.

However Palm Pilots were to me the foundation for the iphone concept.

Funny thing, Palm as a company does not longer exist as it was consumed by modern phones.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[cagelavey]

all sent from your i phone gaston, lol

[eduki]

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