Cheyenne thunde motor

[No Iron Machines]

HEY GUYS, some of u know exactly what motor the THUNDER use ? BRAND and MODEL

that we think that this machine is born for CARTRIDGE suppose this gonna be the best MOTOR for use for a CART machine

that someone know and post gonna be cool, thanx guys

[cagelavey]

I was just wondering this myself, what motor is in the thunder? its got to be one of, if not the most powerful motor on the market

[Patrick]

When I converted mine to RCA, I'm pretty sure the motor was stamped "falhbauer"(however it's spelled :)). Don't remember seeing a model number, though.

[No Iron Machines]

must be FAULHABER becouse is GERMAN same as CHEYENNE, must be good motor for sure, maybe not the strong in the world but small and good for sure

on DIRECT DRIVE system, many motors become so good, becouse they don have STY UP SPRING and dont move anything, so the torque of the motor is direct, can work good

[Jack Steel]

Hello No iron machines

as far as the motor in a thunder/spirit is the Faulhaber 1724rs9

this is rated for 9volt usage , thats why they have a limiter in the machines to stop u from overgoing 12volts
as far as speed and power ....
the ones i , gaston , and a few others use from maxon blasts these motors away

i have been using the faulhabers way back when i started , a good motor but not the fastest one out there.. dont get the 12volt version , its retarded.

[cagelavey]

hey Jack Steel, why does the thunder motor seem to have so much more power than the motor in my halo? not saying its a better motor or anything like that at all, I know that the maxons are the apex of quality motors for rotaries, and I know they have more than enough torque, etc. it just seems like the thunder is faster for some reason, in fact quite a few people claim it has too much? im just honestly wondering because I don't have the knowledge to support my claim, just talking from the way it feels to me, and you seem like you know whats up. by the way your new machines look awesome bro. any info would be appreciated, thanks

[hellraiser6662]

I would say why one goes faster that the other is the fact that a thunder is a dd 4mm with a push bar where a halo has plunger to move before you get the power that takes some away from the motor making it feel slower. Just think if you replaced the halo motor with a thunder motor then see how fast it really is...

[cagelavey]

good point hellraiser. id still like to know the comparative statistics, like torque vs, torque, cps vs cps, etc.

[No Iron Machines]

HEY JACK STEEL, the 1724 dont have any 9 volt motor, 3-6-12-18-24, must be the 12 volts man

[No Iron Machines]

on the CHEYENNE website, about THUNDER they say :

NOMINAL VOLTAGE - 6 to 12.5 V
FREQUENCY PER SECOND- 70 to 170 HZ

170 HZ is more than 10200 rpm, is a lot , that motor 1724 don't arrive at this speed, we miss something here

[Jack Steel]

at no iron machines

ive been to germany , to faulhabers main plant , wich is ni accesible to normal public , the 9volt is special ordered , i can have those to ... no problem they just dont sell them because of the standard 3 6 12 volt lines they usually sell ....

at Hellraiser ...

dont switch out the motor , you will be sorry if u do
way less power and speed then the one in your halo ...

at Cage ; its all about the flywheel

[No Iron Machines]

ok cool.....

when i done my first ROTARY, i use MAXON A-MAX 110123, 22 mm diamter 15 volt, cost about 45 euro something like that that i remeber well, stupid motor, i think MAXON was very good but no way

i test the machine like this, put needlestube rubber bands, and make the machines run costantly at 12 volt (motor was 15 v) and like this the motor absorb 0.18/0.20 ampere, mush less than what they say on the specific,

well after 3 hours approximatly the shaft of the motor come out, broke, i try 4 time consecutive with 4 new motor, all broke in this way, i contact MAXON becouse i cant belive that a SWISS motor broke like this after 3 hours, any 1 dollar chinese motor cant broke after 3 hours consecutive and a SWISS motor broke, and i always get some strange reply from them, and never ever they replace me the motors, so i stop use MAXON

[No Iron Machines]

HEy jack, the DRAGONFLY have the 12 volt motor of this serie ???

[Jack Steel]

hey man ,

as far as the shaft breaking ..
the Amax is a cheaper made version of the RE max ones ...
that being said, the shaft i use is 1.5mm ... the one u had was a 2mm shaft, that should be stronger ....
ive had a shaft come out once , on a faulhaber motor ... the problem there was a badly balanced flywheel ... not the motor
updated all this and voila ... havent had a motor fail on me , since may ive sold about 178+ Rotator mk3 using the remax , everyone loves it , and ive been using that motor since 2012 , and no problems ...

so my guess is that you should check that problem , and ofcourse u dont get a new motor if you are the reason it breaks ...

cheerio

jack

[No Iron Machines]

45 euro each u call them CHEAP VERSION ?????? they all broke after 3 hours of consecutive work, at much less stress that what they sale, this motor have some problem on the concept, maybe the RE MAX u use is different, but this one was stupid the shaft inside is just block in a stupid PLASTIC WHEEL with some glue, after 3 hours, get little bit hot and the shaft come out from PLASTIC, and i still repeat the motor on use at 12 volts absorb 0.18-0.2 ampere, suppose is made for absorb more ampere without problem,

check the specific of that motor and u see,

[No Iron Machines]

NOMINAL CURRENT the MAXON say 0.465 AMPERE, so that this motor broke at 0.2 AMPERE, have something wrong, is not my fault man,

in ITALY have the DISTRIBUTOR of MAXON, but is a stupid office, theres not some engeneer there or some specific people, no stock nothing, bullshit , everytime u order to them,, they order from SWISS and u waith they ship to u, i can do this myself so, don need a stupid DISTRIBUTOR that don know the difference between AMPERE and VOLTS

and for the motor broke, they say they need send to the SWISS FACTORY and engeneer check, and many things , i don like this service,sorry

[cagelavey]

Gonna stay out of this one, lol

[No Iron Machines]

have some builder use this MAXON A-MAX, but for sure they never done some serious test on it

[hellraiser6662]

at no iron machines

ive been to germany , to faulhabers main plant , wich is ni accesible to normal public , the 9volt is special ordered , i can have those to ... no problem they just dont sell them because of the standard 3 6 12 volt lines they usually sell ....

at Hellraiser ...

dont switch out the motor , you will be sorry if u do
way less power and speed then the one in your halo ...

at Cage ; its all about the flywheel
No I was just saying if you wanted to see a comparison between the motors... In my hawk I've got a halo motor because gaston sold me one to replace my hawk motor when it went. As it was cheaper to get one from gaston and shipped to the uk than getting one from Maxton in the uk....

[cagelavey]

Is that a hawk thunder or spirit?

[No Iron Machines]

MAXON in UK is the most expencive in EUROPE, and also u wanna buy only one piece so they charge u a lot, GASTON buy lot of motors for his machines, so him can get discount, and probable in USA this motor are cheper tha EUROPE becouse the famous fucking tax and VAT we have in fucking EUROPE

how about now your CHEYENNE with MAXON, work better, worst , same as before ?? what your opinion man, very interesting to know

greets....

[hellraiser6662]

It's the first hawk. Not any other. But since I only use flitev2 s now I haven't much used it since I replaced the motor. I'll give a go tomorrow back to back with my flitev2 and let you know. Maybe a little vid if the apprentice is in to hold the camera.

[Jack Steel]

A max is the budget version of the RE max , so yes , cheaper version
its not just gaston using or buying this motor ...
stigma , swashdrive , me personally ...
ive gotten 500+motors but its still not a 20dollar motor.

[cagelavey]

so the 216000 has the same torque, the same 4.5watt and the same rpm as the Cheyenne motor? that's what I want to know, what are the differences. just the statistical differences, does anyone have that info?

[brandonmull]

well application for tattoo machine wise, whats the difference between the mason ec and dc, brushless and brushed and the re models? their website is full of technical info i do not fully understand!

[No Iron Machines]

of course is expencive but to buy 1 piece and buy 500 pieces u get different price from MAXON, and MAXON UK have the highest price in EUROPE, so this way him get cheapest buy from GASTON

the MAXON 216000 have more watt and torque than the CHEYENNE ORIGINAL, i dono wich one is better, booth motors are very good

[cagelavey]

anyone have the torque, watt, rpm of the Cheyenne motor?

[No Iron Machines]

check on FAULHABER website, they have the specific of any motor they produce,

u can see the specific of the 6 and 12 volts, not the 9 volts like JACK say, but for me they use the standard 12 volts, not custom, becouse on theyr website they say u can go untill 12.5 volts

[Jack Steel]

No irons ....

i tell you it is a 9volt motor ...
ive done enough replacements.

[No Iron Machines]

9 volts...

[cagelavey]

thanks jack steel. I appreciate the info, I cant find the 9v on their site, so I guess a comparative check list between the thunder motor and the 216000 maxon motor will remain elusive at this point.

[fkirons]

Here you go guys: Facts vs Facts.
Faulhaber 1724: http://eris.liralab.it/images/b/b1/FAULHABER_-_DC_micromotors_1724_serie.pdf

Maxon 216000: http://www.maxonmotorusa.com/medias/sys_master/8813530120222/14-153-EN.pdf

[cagelavey]

thanks gaston, that's what I needed, I was just curious more than anything, but this shit interest me, seeing how different cams, bearings, motor torque, watts, etc. effect the way the machines tattoo.

[No Iron Machines]

the BISHOP also use this stupid A-MAX

[Jack Steel]

Faulhaber germany told me they make any spec i want
also i advise the 6volt if you need one , way more speedy power punchy then a 12volt one , thats way slower
the spec sheet is one thing , but ive walked away from it , on the field you see its allways a tad different...
that being said , the 9volt version is not on the standard list of 1piece sales
cheerio

[OwlsDen]

Faulhaber germany told me they make any spec i want
also i advise the 6volt if you need one , way more speedy power punchy then a 12volt one , thats way slower
the spec sheet is one thing , but ive walked away from it , on the field you see its allways a tad different...
that being said , the 9volt version is not on the standard list of 1piece sales
cheerio

There is a company in Germany glockenmotor I believe they sell the 7 and 9 volt Faulhaber motors as well as the 3.5 volts. There are aLot of special use motors that they make that are not on the list. The 3.5 is a crazy monster by the way.

[No Iron Machines]

but when the motor is LOWER VOLTS, need more ampere, so maybe easy to get hot, need be carefull

[No Iron Machines]

HEY JACKSTEEL, can u post a pic of your machine pushing ORIGINAL CHEYENNE cartridge in front at power supply that read AMPERE ?????

[Jack Steel]

when i get the time and dont forget sure ;)

[brandonmull]

holy shit i just realized what your avatar is !!! bwahahahahah

[Zbel]

would a faulhaber 1717sr 12 volt version be able to run carts??

https://fmcc.faulhaber.com/details/overview/PGR_1146_13818/PGR_13818_13813/en/

[OwlsDen]

would a faulhaber 1717sr 12 volt version be able to run carts??

https://fmcc.faulhaber.com/details/overview/PGR_1146_13818/PGR_13818_13813/en/

Yes it will

[Zbel]

and it would not need some kinda jumpstarter like the thunder does?
i mean - if the thunder needs 12 volts to get going this will too right?

[Jack Steel]

it will not need a jump start ...

but the 17x17 is not good for carts ...
it get's hot real fast , real bad ....
bez used it in the first egos in the early beginning and he went to 17x24 instead of the 17x17

;)

[Zbel]

ok thanks..
i will try a 17x24 instead...

[acink]

Sorry to dig this up again guys what spec motor is the hawk pen is it the same faulhaber motor that is in the hawk thunder,this is awesome reading and learning.Will a Maxon RE-max 216000 fit the hawk pen rather than the chines motor there fitted with

[acink]

Sorry to dig this up again guys what spec motor is the hawk pen is it the same faulhaber motor that is in the hawk thunder,this is awesome reading and learning.Will a Maxon RE-max 216000 fit the hawk pen rather than the chines motor there fitted with