question for Cheyenne users

[SAACADELIC]

Hi folks! Im just curious about these super pricey grips. Are artists buying multiple grips so that autoclaved ones can be used for each tattoo? I see alot of people covering the grip, and I've seen some big name tattooers use the same grip between different clients. Considering that cartridge tip inserts into the end of that grip, it stands to reason that no amount of tape and barrier film will completely isolate that grip from cross contamination. I owned a hawk before, and I def feel like those grips need to be autoclaved between uses, and that the grip is inadvertantly cross contaminated during the tattoo process, even if its covered well.( particularly the socket portion, which cannot be covered) I would like to hear other's opinions; do people feel that wrapping the grip is adequate or is an autoclaved grip the only way to go?

[brandonmull]

I have wondered this also.

[nathanhamilton89]

Randy englehard and all those guys swear by wrapping the grip up well enough and being careful of how you hande your carts that no contaminates can get into the grip this is what Cheyennes argument with t tech is cause of this membrane.. Keith ciaramello does the same then autoclaves it once a week.. Most people do a cold sterilising process with specific alcohols designs to kill certain things that may or may not be able to get into or on the grip.. I personally am on the fence like you its a question I have I guess it's more a moral dilemma I think

[Zapp]

There are many threads and postings about it !
Just research !

[billannand]

This question is why I chose the flite with the vice.


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[needlemaniak]

Billannand, did you find a disposable grip that works with the flex bars ?


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[billannand]

Billannand, did you find a disposable grip that works with the flex bars ?


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Hey man sorry my phone got wiped and I forgot about the other thread. Yes they do with the tatsoul ones for the vice. I have not had a chance to get a disposable rpg but I'm sure they would fit.

Until chyenne makes a disposable grip for the hawk or a steel one, I just can't do it due to the "just in case" factor. Most of my life has fallen into the wow that never happens. Lol.


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[needlemaniak]

Thanks bilannand !


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[Patrick]

I've been autoclaving my Cheyenne grips after every tattoo for over a year now, with no issues, whatsoever.
I'm a little confused as to why this issue keeps coming up. If you're not comfortable with a topical sterilant (which works and is what we use on everything that can't be autoclaved), toss them in the sterilizer for a cycle.

[Dreviltattoo]

i have 4 and been claving mine everytime for over a yr as well. i only do one 4-10 hr session per day. I don't think bagging is really that adequate when you take the carts in and out. i use true tube grip covers and wipe down the grip with germicidale wipes. then sonic for only about 2 minutes to avoid losing the anodizing and then they get rinsed, bagged and claved. I'm wondering what the deal is going to be with the new Cheyenne Pen machine.

[Dreviltattoo]

i also used the ego disposable hawk grips for a convention. and i also just ordered an adapter from tatsoul so i will be able to use conventional disposable cart grips on it as well. i'm waiting for more cart companies. and what's up with the edge @gaston? is it still in the works?

[InkTillYouDrop]

Drevilatattoo, what did you think of the ego disposables for the hawk?

[Dreviltattoo]

Drevilatattoo, what did you think of the ego disposables for the hawk?
They were NOT as comfy or as adequate as the hawk twits grips, but they were ok. It's harder to adjust the hang but even with the nut on them tight i could still twist if back and forth to change the hang. the worst part was changing carts. you have to have the plunger hang straight down or it will be a loud chattering sound. i used with ttechs and they were a little tight. very expensive too.

[InkTillYouDrop]

Always nice to hear of hands on opinions, thanks Dreviltattoo!
I would love to use disposable tubes for carts, and really hopped the hawk flow were really good, i might have to consider getting eitheir a flite vice, or an adapter for the hawk in this case with disposable wrath, rpg, or the inkecta disposables.

[Mission Tattoo]

I have been using the desposible rpg grips and like them although I'm not a big fan of the weight so I am giving the pro tubes from king pin a try like the weight a lot there is blow back from the needle packs so this whole wrapping in plastic and reusing tubes it out of the question for me the autoclave is the only way I would work with this system

[InkTillYouDrop]

Yeah totally agree, wrapping cheyenne grip is definitely not enought from MY point of view, and i prefer to be safe than sorry, and without an autoclave i wouldn't use it either.

[Dreviltattoo]

Always nice to hear of hands on opinions, thanks Dreviltattoo!
I would love to use disposable tubes for carts, and really hopped the hawk flow were really good, i might have to consider getting eitheir a flite vice, or an adapter for the hawk in this case with disposable wrath, rpg, or the inkecta disposables.
the adapter is $20 from tatsoul. i have 4 grips and only do 1 tattoo a day so claving works for me but it's nice to have the option. i'm going to order the adapter so i can use the hawk grips on other machines. I really love them. i also have a flite and now i can use disposables on that too with the adapter but the hawk grip really is awesome. i think ink machines is making a twist click grip too now.

[Heath]

Sorry but you guys are acting like women about this. Not you Drevil. Like Bizarro said, a topical sterilant will do just fine. You've taken blood born pathogens training I'll assume so you should know that this shit works just fine. It's used in hospitals. And like he said, if you don't like it, then autoclave them. A 20 minute cycle is no more time than getting a drawing prepped, stenciled and you set up. I have been using ONE just fine now for weeks but I also only tattoo one large piece a day. And I'm getting a few more soon just because I want to autoclave them. It's not complicated.

[artoftatt2]

Autoclaving is the only way to go..

[Dreviltattoo]

i did use to bag them and i had a stylus. honestly, i'm lazy and it's a pain in the ass and can get in the way of adjusting the hang. i just bag the machine and clave the grip. i've had no probs from claving and my manager does it. also, never had a ttech leak. Even if you only have 2 grips that should be fine unless you're a street shop artist doing 9 tattoos a day. If that's the case then just get the adapter for $20 bucks and use disposables. Other point of interest is what are you doing with the carts when switching? prob laying them down on your mess and then putting them back in. claving just makes sense. i believe cheyenne recommends a certain sonic solution because of the anodizing will discolor. I just keep it mild and only sonic for 2 minutes and that's after it has been wiped down with germicidal and rinsed. i haven't had any discolor either from the quick sonic or clave. i do wish i just bought all black ones though. I think you can sonic them normally. lastly, i use my own sonic. i have a separate one for my other artists that use steel tubes and get ink fucking everywhere. long 2 cents, sorry.

[serial1313]

Sorry but you guys are acting like women about this. Not you Drevil. Like Bizarro said, a topical sterilant will do just fine. You've taken blood born pathogens training I'll assume so you should know that this shit works just fine. It's used in hospitals. And like he said, if you don't like it, then autoclave them. A 20 minute cycle is no more time than getting a drawing prepped, stenciled and you set up. I have been using ONE just fine now for weeks but I also only tattoo one large piece a day. And I'm getting a few more soon just because I want to autoclave them. It's not complicated. You just said that topical was just fine & then 5 sentences later said that you were getting more grips so that you could autoclave them.

[InkTillYouDrop]

Here we have specific regulations regarding the autoclave cycle, a complete cycle takes 90 minutes and before that you have to let it soak for at least half an hour, plus the fact we need to do all this in another room dedicated only to sterilization purposes. The autoclave has to be proofed often and tested each day and it end up being really expensive if you need to build another room on top of that. On the other hand when you have finished your tattoo with disposable grips, you throw everything in the medical waste and you're done with it, hence the need for me to find good and comfortable disposable grips that would work nicely with an inkecta or a cheyenne and ttech.

[cagelavey]

the bishop solution http://www.rotarytattoo.com/showthread.php/12872-Disposable-Tube-Adapter-by-Bishop-Rotary

[Dreviltattoo]

the bishop solution http://www.rotarytattoo.com/showthread.php/12872-Disposable-Tube-Adapter-by-Bishop-Rotary
the tatsoul one isn't as pretty but it's $20 compared to $50. I did just ordered 2 of the opposite adapters from bishop so i can use the cheyenne grips on other machines