Damnit, BISHOP! Fail...NEOTAT???

[Mattw506]

Hey guys. I dont know if this is where this needs to go, if not please feel free to remove. Anyways...
I have had 3 bishops since I started using rotaries a short time ago. One, just stopped running. It started running super slow, and then just pooped out completely. I thought " It happens ". I love the looks and feel of the bishop, so I gave it another chance. Ended up with a 4mm Bishop. Loved it, but I decided I prefered the 3.5mm, so I got rid of the 4, and just got a 3.5mm again. Well, today I go to plug it in to "try it out". Runs great! I go to unhook the RCA cord from the back of the machine when.. WTF! The RCA input on the back of the bishop came out completely. Stuck in the RCA cord! ( No effort or force used. Used this Eikon rca cord for many machines. even my coil machines are RCA converted. ). I look and the thread/sleeve is literally broken. I was furious. Brand new machine. Falls apart. So, I have 2 NEOtat machines. Which never got much use, as I was using the bishops. But, I have had ZERO problems from the little time ive spent with NEOtats. So... with that said, Althought I prefer the looks of Bishop. I think I will be sticking to neotat.
I have just had it beat in my head that the NEOTAT vivace was not as good a machine because it doesnt use " the superior MAXON motor" and the " Mabuchi is chinese junk, etc ". Anyways, I was just pissed off and wanted to rant and get some feedback. lol

With regards,
New NEOTAT fanboy
Matt

[stickmann]

The Mabuchi is actually from Japan where they make amazing products, not quite the same as Chinese crap. Not a huge fan of the Maxon motors anymore either.

[darkness]

mabuchi or nanco i think running most a lot better as Maxon motors - Nicks build very good machines with the nanco ,very fast and good power -and i run the same machine after 2 years daily use without any issue. Dan Kubin have change the motor back from maxon to mabuchi because they are better running and i notice this with a lot other machines too. Maxon i think its only expensive and maybe its better to change from time to time the motor for 30 bugs as to buy a motor for 200 usd and have it inconsistent running after 6 month. I notice the maxon change after a few month the consistence and power and get softer with time. The only expensiv and very good brand i can recommend is faulhaber - the are strong but a mabuchi or nanco is not bad as a faulhaber -but all most better as maxon

[Jack Steel]

better running then maxon?...

i've had clients with over 1100hours on their machine , with a maxon motor that's only 17mm ....
mabuchi is way bigger,heavyer and the performance isnt what a maxon does , however , maxon has tons of motors , and using a precious metal brushed motor is not the way to go with tattoo machines ... i think Gaston can also tell you this

[JoeyJimz]

I think you should just send them back to bishop under their warranty and have them replaced no problem issue solved. Im more than sure they would take care of you. Give them a call

[Mattw506]

Yeah, they offered to fix the problem. But dealing with the issue with more than one Bishop in such a short period of time, and dealing with the inconvenience has just left me a bit salty of their product. make sense?

[No Iron Machines]

MAXON MOTOR use in BISHOP are not so good,i use it before, is the A-MAX series, the only MAXON good is the RE-MAX series and the new DCX series

MABUCHI is japanese but produce in TAIWAN or CHINA like many of massive production products, are cheap and good

[darkness]

not all from china is bad ,when the company pay a good price they can do good stuff -but the most only would pay less to nothing - for me a mabuchi is better as a a-max maxon

[FRANCO VESCOVI]

Yeah, they offered to fix the problem. But dealing with the issue with more than one Bishop in such a short period of time, and dealing with the inconvenience has just left me a bit salty of their product. make sense?

Can you tell me where you purchased each of the 3 Bishops? I have never even seen an rca break at the threads so Im intrigued to find out the cause of course.

If you have had this happen, I will personally be looking out for your package with the 3 machines which I have no problem repairing or replacing with brand new machines as this is not the norm. This is odd and not the usual review. Lets get them repaired asap. As for maxon motors, the A max that we use is absolutely a great motor despite what he said. We use 2 custom ball bearings included in our AMAX Motors which makes them superior. if ordered stock A-MAX, the sleeve bearings arent too good for tattoo application. email me direct [email protected] and thank you for the input.

[No Iron Machines]

@FRANCO VESCOVI, on my first rotary i use MAXON A-MAX 110123, 15 V, 22 mm diameter, im sure is the same series of the motor u use, i test 4 new motors make it run costantly on the machines, with needles, tube, rubber bands and after 3-4 hours the shaft come out from the motor, and when the machines run, absorb much less ampere that what the specific of the motor say,
i make run at 12 volts and absorb about 0.25 ampere, i contact MAXON ITALY and never get replace of the motor , they only say that they sale mostly RE-MAX for use on TATTOO MACHINES, after this imove to MABUCHI and this never happen

so this why i say A-MAX series are no good, when the motor get just little bit warm, this fucking shaft come out from inside, is just stick with the glue inside the motor, look like stupid mistake but is like this, TRY ON YOUR MACHINES AND GONNA SEE THAT THIS HAPPEN TOO

sound like the RE-MAX 216000 , the one almost everybody use don't have this problem, that u make the machine run costantly the shaft gonna resist

[FRANCO VESCOVI]

@FRANCO VESCOVI, on my first rotary i use MAXON A-MAX 110123, 15 V, 22 mm diameter, im sure is the same series of the motor u use, i test 4 new motors make it run costantly on the machines, with needles, tube, rubber bands and after 3-4 hours the shaft come out from the motor, and when the machines run, absorb much less ampere that what the specific of the motor say,
i make run at 12 volts and absorb about 0.25 ampere, i contact MAXON ITALY and never get replace of the motor , they only say that they sale mostly RE-MAX for use on TATTOO MACHINES, after this imove to MABUCHI and this never happen

so this why i say A-MAX series are no good, when the motor get just little bit warm, this fucking shaft come out from inside, is just stick with the glue inside the motor, look like stupid mistake but is like this, TRY ON YOUR MACHINES AND GONNA SEE THAT THIS HAPPEN TOO

sound like the RE-MAX 216000 , the one almost everybody use don't have this problem, that u make the machine run costantly the shaft gonna resist
the Amax series motor is a perfect motor, but only if you use the 12v with 2 ball bearings. the shaft came loose because yours has a sleeve bearing which isnt bad, but not good for tattoo application as there is too much axial load. The 2 ball bearings make this motor 5 times more sturdy against the axial and radial load. Most people dont know this but its fact. even the 216000 isnt a good motor unless you pay extra to get ball bearings instead of sleeve. Hope this helps

[SinnerTattooMachines]

I completely agree with Franco Vescovi, i have tested several maxon while testing motors to SINNER NOSFERATU, including the A-MAX 110123 without bearings, and it doesn't compares to the ones with the shaft mounted in 2 ball bearings.