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DCtattoos07
11-16-2012, 05:02 AM
I have an original hawk with the ttech setup and have been tattooing wih it for the past 4 months. I have been thinkig about picking up another machine here and i am really intrestes in the newer thunder.

My question is, is the original a better machine than the newer thunder? would I have to switch up my regular power supply that I use now? I have the adapter cord with my original hawk. i hear the thunder is great for lining. I haven't had any problems lining with the original. The Cheyenne is just a pretty sweet machine and really want another lol.

slicksteel
11-16-2012, 12:27 PM
you would have to use the start up cord or buy the newer power supply with the startup chip inside it.

DCtattoos07
11-16-2012, 12:41 PM
what about motor? Is there much of a difference, asidefrom the stroke?

slicksteel
11-16-2012, 12:43 PM
I have heard the new one has a faster and higher torque motor to push the longer stroke-i have the thunder and it is amazing.

DCtattoos07
11-16-2012, 12:44 PM
that sounds nice. so have you tattooed with both? I just checked out your profile and it says you're from San Jose. my buddy is apprenticing at Death Before Dishonor

DCtattoos07
11-16-2012, 12:47 PM
i been using the hawk for a while now, and just picked up a Bishop for the first time, and although it is a solid machine I definitely feel that the Cheyenne is more suited To my needs

slicksteel
11-16-2012, 12:53 PM
check out tommy lee's work with all of the hawk versions,amazing as alot of people say they are no good for bng!
https://www.facebook.com/tommyleewendtner

slicksteel
11-16-2012, 12:57 PM
I have not tattooed with the first one.

DCtattoos07
11-16-2012, 01:04 PM
wow, his work is awesome! Im a big fan of Carl grace who also uses the thunder

studioink
11-16-2012, 02:14 PM
Hey all,

I've been using the cheyenne equipment for about a year now, been using all three.

the hawk has a 2mm throw, the spirit has a 2.5mm throw and the thunder has a 4mm throw.

love using the first two for colour blending and black and grey. But the thunder is a fantastic tool, it does the lot including lining. To be honest I've been using the thunder for every tattoo I've done for the last four months.

hope this helps (get a thunder :-))

DCtattoos07
11-16-2012, 02:58 PM
sounds good to me. Im on the hunt! lol

tattoosbyjamison
11-16-2012, 04:44 PM
tommy lee uses the spirit model

hellraiser6662
11-16-2012, 05:18 PM
The black n grey was done with a spirit but I've now got rid and use a hm for my b n g now

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DCtattoos07
11-16-2012, 06:05 PM
that's a prettysick piece dude. zero outline on the skull?

hellraiser6662
11-16-2012, 06:14 PM
Thanks Yep no outline just shading if I needed to go tight in I would have used my dragonfly ss with a magicmoon LT 3 00.

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DCtattoos07
11-16-2012, 06:25 PM
[QUOTE= dragonfly ss with a magicmoon LT 3 00.

Sent from my LT26i using Tapatalk 2[/QUOTE] Not familiar with this?

DCtattoos07
11-16-2012, 06:26 PM
was trying to quote the magicmoon thing lik

hellraiser6662
11-16-2012, 06:45 PM
Type of needle used 00 size Long Taper. Magicmoon.com

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DCtattoos07
11-16-2012, 06:52 PM
gotcha! Post some.more pics of your black and grey man. very clean

Hawk666
11-24-2012, 02:49 AM
The original Hawk has a 2.5 mm stroke and the Hawk Spirit has a 3mm stroke The thunder has a 4mm stroke. I have been using Cheyenne products since the release of there condor in europe, i currently own all of Cheyennes machines. I will say that Cheyenne really makes some great stuff ive had my original Hawk for almost 4 years and no problems with the motor yet. Both the Spirit and Thunder are amazing machines both are versatile in every field of tattooing. The Thunder has a more powerful faster motor if you own an eikon ems 400 then the thunder will work fine without the startup cord otherwise you will need to purchase a startup cord. Cheyenne is doing really great things as Jeff Gogue has recently joined the team along with Jess Yen. Next year i heard they will be releasing a wireless machine. I have tried many other rotary machines from Stigma to Dragonfly, bishops, neotats and many more all of them being good machines they just dont last as long as a Cheyenne machine.

JohnnyChaos
11-24-2012, 03:56 AM
When I moved from the Hawk to the Thunder I wasn't convinced it was any better. The startup cable didn't work all the time and I ended up having to get the Cheyenne psu.
It does make lining a little easier and quicker but that's all really.
As I mainly do black n grey I've been thinking of buying a spirit to see if that suits me a bit more like the original.

Btw I didn't think the hawk and spirit had different strokes,

hellraiser6662
11-24-2012, 05:55 AM
The problem with Cheyenne is the tips when they first started the tips matched the needle groupings but now it's cheaper to do the same tip for a 8round as a 3 liner. Good if you use t-tech which are cheap at you get 20 tips for you money but bad if you pay just under £30 for 10, the quality has gone down hill a little since I first started to use my hawk.

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johndameart
11-24-2012, 04:33 PM
Yeah i mean, They do need to lower the prices a bit for the cartridges, A little steep. I understand the quality is Great, which is awesome, but its hard to set up a tattoo when you need 3 different needles which they end up running you in the end 9-10 bucks on a smaller tattoo. thats why i ordered t tech for my set up on smaller tattoos.