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crabink
03-09-2013, 01:32 AM
I imagine there is a DD with a mechanically softer hit than say a RW I.D
Any suggestions?
Something 2.5 or 3.5 for BnG

slicksteel
03-09-2013, 01:33 AM
The torch has a give cam-the maker is on here

MickWrath
03-09-2013, 02:06 AM
Slicks right the torch is the only DD I know of with a built in give system for a softer hit, Romans adjustable will give you the 2.5-5.5 stroke and you can use silicone grommets and a ttech set up for natural dampening. Also if you work off the needle tip and stretch less you will get more bounce for a softer effect.

slicksteel
03-09-2013, 02:37 AM
http://www.torchrotary.com/torch.html

crabink
03-09-2013, 02:48 AM
mick- loving roman's new machine eh?

crabink
03-09-2013, 02:50 AM
silicone gromets? what are they?.. never heard of them

crabink
03-09-2013, 02:54 AM
not really thinking of the torch.. i want a clip cord connection for now.. and i don't use the t tech (yet)
I was just wondering what other reliable DD machines are out there that are the best for BnG .. something 2.5-3.0 that has no give, but feels like it does.. something that just runs smooth and has a lot of range, volt wise.

throwhammers
03-09-2013, 03:09 AM
Direct drives are no give. Designed that way. I don't think there are any, with the exception of the torch, that have give.
Try using silicone tubing instead of your regular rubber nipples (available at hobby stores that sell rc car and helicopter parts, i believe its used for fuel lines... you just need to find the proper diameter. I am not at the shop so i can't measure now).
Aside from that, i think what you are looking for is not really a direct drive machine.

crabink
03-09-2013, 03:14 AM
I am not looking for give, but I would guess there is a machine out the (a DD) that seems to just hit softer.. that the rotary industry uses for BnG ... something time tested with a small stroke.
With so many different drive systems and motors there has to be a favorite DD that everyone likes for BnG..
thats what i mean

MickWrath
03-09-2013, 04:31 AM
My h&m adjustable is by far the best black and grey machine I have ever used. 2.5-3mm and its as smooth as a baby's ass. Effortless.

tattood
03-09-2013, 10:11 AM
i have a Nicks Direct drive that seems to hit soft on lower volts

slicksteel
03-09-2013, 02:24 PM
Neotats, Vivaces with the 2.5 and soft return spring work great for bng and hit pretty soft n smooth.
Also the German Evolution that just got updated hit soft for a DD linear.
Generally the shorter the cam stroke the less punch it will have.Also a machine that has a bit more speed and less torque helps if your trying to do powdery smooth bng realism work.

OwlsDen
03-09-2013, 02:26 PM
I agree, I have a 2.5 Neo and it is great for black and grey.

Vinoshitto
03-09-2013, 02:38 PM
forget all about that soft dd.. if you're not into the Torch, then use as said a smaller stroke DD with a silicone tubing as grommet (pref. ID: 2mm-2.5mm OD: 4.5mm-5.0mm, depends on the softness/hardness you want and hardness of each individual type of silicone) just to get that little damping effect on it..
Get that, and just get used to it :)
Sooner or later you're gonna get the hang of it, and you will find "your" style of using it in your work..

Direct drives are awesome, and some peeps here use them almost exclusively. it's a simple kind of machine.. leaves the rest up to the tattooer.

Have a nice weekend my fellow members!

/Oskar

tattood
03-09-2013, 02:42 PM
where do u get the silicone tubing ?

slicksteel
03-09-2013, 02:43 PM
where do u get the silicone tubing ?
luckys sell some as do hobby shops -fuel line

http://www.luckysupply.com/shop/form.asp?listid=3

crabink
03-09-2013, 04:39 PM
Is there a specific diameter of tubing that works for the nipple best?

tattood
03-09-2013, 04:52 PM
Is there a specific diameter of tubing that works for the nipple best?

im not sure either im jus gonna bring an armature bar with me and see what fits... got a hobby shop down the street from where i work

slicksteel
03-09-2013, 06:04 PM
all depends on the machines tip-read last post ^-
the spongie blue tint stuff works good.

Vinoshitto
03-09-2013, 07:05 PM
Ebayed some of it.. some of it I got from hobby shop a block from my shop.

Best is to buy like two feet of each and try em all out.. just keep track of whats what.. i tend to toss everything i have in one huge drawer.. works like shit.

gangstajay
03-09-2013, 07:29 PM
that is slick