Neotat stroke & spring suggestion

[Heath]

I'm getting a Neotat Vivace. I'm not looking for a liner, just a versatile gray shade/color packer. I've also never owned a Neotat before.

I was wanting spring suggestion (red: hard, silver: regular/soft) and stroke suggestion. I was thinking of going with a 3.5 stroke with the red spring solely because it will pack color but easily gray shade really smooth. I was also thinking of the same spring but with the 4.2...but feel it might limit my gray shading flexibility.

I did own a Blitz that I loved, it was a 3.5 stroke and was very flexible...and my current Kubin mini Cranker 3.5 is very versatile too...

[cagelavey]

there are a thousand post on this issue if you search it. I can use my 3.6 vivace for anything, lining, b&g and color packing. color I run bout 8.5-9v, shading bout 9.5-10v and I line at like 11.5-12v. that's just me, there is no magic number its all just preference, hand speed, needle hang, stroke and volts that pertain to each individual artist.

[Heath]

I couldn't find anything on any section....where are they hidden at?

[slicksteel]

get the original neotat-3.5 great price and the rca is up and way -not downlow like the vivace,which tends to get in the way.

[cagelavey]

yeah that does take some getting used to.(the placement of the rca, especially if your working on a neck. you tend to hit the customer in the face wit it, lol. I sometimes use a right angled rca adapter, helps a bit when you need it. the post on neos is:

[cagelavey]

http://www.rotarytattoo.com/showthread.php/9618-lining-with-neotat?highlight=lining+neo

[cagelavey]

http://www.rotarytattoo.com/showthread.php/8911-Neo-Tat-4-2?highlight=neo

[cagelavey]

I guess there aren't a lot of technical advice on them, but a lot pertaining to them, I guess I just never looked for the tech stuff because ive had mine forever and am already familiar , sorry

[No Iron Machines]

i THINK 3.5 STROKE IS GOOD FOR ALL, VERY VERSATILE , SURE

[Heath]

Thanks everyone I went with a 3.5, with the "magic drive" motor and a red spring.

[S_Trofatter]

Where do you find the "magic drive" version?

[Heath]

http://www.rotarytattoo.com/showthread.php/7898-NeoTat-quot-Magic-quot-cartridge?highlight=magic+drive

It's around a $25-30 upgrade I was told by Neotat. I'm not sure what is different about it but that it can go slower and faster than the previous motor and has a brass cam wheel which is 2x the size of the other standard one, so they said it's even more smooth operation and balances the machine a little bit more.

[NeoTat]

Also Heath, the motor cartridge is something you can order separately. If you wish to get a different stroke length. Let me know what you think of your "magic".

[Jaytrials]

I just installed the 3.5 magic in my vivace and it will really pack the color in at super low volts. Loving it so far

[S_Trofatter]

btw, does the "magic cartridge move as fast as the regular motors on the top end with just more torque? or is it just really slow all around?

[NeoTat]

the motor that drives the "magic" is the same as any other Vivace motor cartridge. the speed is the same. the difference is in the size and material of the crank wheel. the crank wheel is bigger and made of brass. this gives more action in the fly wheel. once you are at a certain speed this does make it a little harder to change speeds as it has more rotating mass.

[NeoTat]

the "magic" is available in house at NeoTat- 928-473-4185 or [email protected]. Shortly Eikon and Unimax will most likely have these available. your best bet remains to call us directly.

[slicksteel]

So basicly does it have more "punch" to the needle insertion?

[cagelavey]

what do you mean it makes it harder to change speeds? I guess I just don't grasp what it is that means?

[Administrator]

what do you mean it makes it harder to change speeds? I guess I just don't grasp what it is that means?

Wheel will pick up speed because of its weight. Making fine adjustments to speed will not be as simple you may need to make slightly bigger jumps in the voltage to really notice a difference.

sent from my oobnoxiosly large galaxy note phone thing via tapatalk.

[cagelavey]

thanks for clearing that up, :D

[cagelavey]

would you still run the machine at similar speeds, like say I line at 11.5-12v shade at 10v, etc.. will I need to compensate by making the volts less, machine will have more speed at lower volts? just want to be sure of particulars