No love for Swiss rotaries?

I did have 2 swiss rotarys...not bad machines but if you like the design of swiss then look at the peter rotarys from germany...alot smoother and all round better...i think blue moon tattoo supplies sell them

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Originally Posted by aevilla

I see more members talking about the swashdrive and how great it is, but in reality the swashdrive costs more and they appear to be pretty much the same in the aspect of having the same amount of "give"...which is little to none...that I know of lol.

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I think the Swashdrives are popular because they are such a curious little machine. While so many machines have the motors mounted laterally, their vertical position is very different to a lot of people, maybe making it something they have to have, simply because of that? I was lucky enough to buy a gen6 of off one of the members here, jstewart (and I have another gen 6 coming from gangstajay with an rca instead of the clipcord which I plan to get some gen 7 clips for - I heard it makes it a little nicer for black and grey with those). I got mine because a friend ranted and raved about how amazing it was and that I should consider getting one... so I got 2! :P

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Originally Posted by slicksteel

They are very smooth running machines ,well made ,stury yet still light. out of all the rotarys i have tried they run most like a coil machine and you can get thin to think lineing were easy.Great customer service-you can actually talk to the maker-which is also a tattooer. He could easly charge as much as the swashdrive as it is made just as well.Of course some people dont want a rotary with give.The give is just right like a well tuned coil machine that has a wide power band. More volts -equals less give to push real big mags or 14 liners -will push anything.Yet you also do soft shading or color packing.

Inked- the 4mm stroke rapier runs realy sweet for heavy linework and building up lines but also works well for everything else.The 3m are great for color and bng and fineline work but can just about push anything.

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Thanks slicksteel for the info, i am considering between the rapier and neo tat , but still dunno if i need a machine with "give" . well i been using old school style rotary (without any pully or amature bar like the stealth) with very good results, i never know rotaries runs so consistant, powerful and packs in colors easily and also real silent. almost cant hear anything. so after donkey years of coil machine, i am in search a good rotary to invest in, but I'm actually leaning towards the rapier as u mention the the builder is a tattooer and good customer service, i might just jump in the bandwagon sooner then expected :)

I just picked up a swiss rotary on ebay for $200, nevrer used, just run out of the box, arrived today, the guy had it advertised as a swiss stealth which I think scared anyone off bidding on it.

Anyway I really like it so far.

A swiss was the first professional rotary I bought 3 month ago... My first contact with this type of machine was like 2 years ago some cheap knock off for 40€ which only lasted 4 weeks till the ball bearing went to hell. I did like how the machine was working though.

The swiss is pretty expensive for Europe too I think. Ive bought one of the newer models with a RCA plug in white/purple for 400€... Its an awesome tool well built super silent does a great job for me. In the beginning I got cramps im my hands because of its very very light weight I always had the feeling not holding it properly.

The no give and no adjustments to make seemed perfect to me I dont wanna screw around with a machine to much. Plug it in ready to go... I had my share of messing around with coils machines so Im looking for reliable tools that satisfy my needs now.

I tried to line with it only once so far, the next day I used it for shading and coloring and it felt like this was the job the machines supposed to do. The lines I did with it were in very good though it just felt like I had to push harder and the outcome was a lot thinner compared to my coil machines using the same needle grouping.

If you can believe what artists say about the Swiss made machines they do last very long and are reliable all the time so I think its money well spent instead of messing around with cheap knock offs that (maybe) quit their duty sooner or later.

Fatcashdaddy and I were having a chuckle about the new glamour models the other day:
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Anyone fancy spending 1015 Euros for their new "Sparkling Heidi" Bling Thing?

I saw this in person at the Toronto convention. It was $1500 CAD. I certainly did sparkle.

The Swiss was my first rotary I bought about three years ago. There are so many other machines that keep making improvements and push the boundaries that Swiss just got left behind.

Yea they need to step their game up instead of charging crazy prices for color changes -kind of reminds me of the ol action figures from he-man ,just throw a a different paint job and head on and wam-o something new! thats marketing 101 no need to make advancements, just trick the customer its all new again,lol.

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Originally Posted by slicksteel

Yea they need to step their game up instead of charging crazy prices for color changes -kind of reminds me of the ol action figures from he-man ,just throw a a different paint job and head on and wam-o something new! thats marketing 101 no need to make advancements, just trick the customer its all new again,lol.

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They might actually believe their basic design doesn't need changing... There are coil machine builders using frame designs dating back to the 1930's etc.