I saw all the info on eikondevice.com its what opened my eyes.
I cant seem to do black n grey to good with Halo... you have any idea why this is? Would you consider the Halo a fast motor?
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I saw all the info on eikondevice.com its what opened my eyes.
I cant seem to do black n grey to good with Halo... you have any idea why this is? Would you consider the Halo a fast motor?
If you guys offer members a deal I'd like to buy one asap.
Can't wait to hear members reviews!
Crabink, start a new thread or pm me and I'll elaborate, but it's probably just your technique :)Quote:
Originally Posted by crabink
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Still no reviews?
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Okay, here's my quick review.. I got the machines, opened the box, immediatly impressed by the quality of the materials used for the machine, and the overall design.. Also the special little tools they made that are included in the box with your machine.. I put setup the machine how I like, it was lightweight, ran quiet and smooth, etc.. There really is no reason to NOT like these machines, due to the fact you truely have countless options on how to set it up to your need, or liking.. There was a few things that I did notice however.. First, the length of the motor, when the machine is setup, it is about a quarter to a half in longer than say a vivace or bishop.. Not that big of deal, but I could feel the difference when tattooing with it.. Next, was the tube vice, the thumbscrew on the vice when I had it tightened down, the thumbscrew was digging into my finger, this may not be an issue for some of you, depending on how you hold your machine.. Also, and I found this a little strange, the little pegs that stick out of the sides for your rubber band, ar too close for your standard eikon rubber band to have any effect on holding your needle bar, but its too much tension when you "double it up", and I found that the halo rubber bands were almost too much tension when used..
Again, I will say, overall, great machine, no reason to not like them.. the only thing, and from what I understand will be changing in the near future, is how you dont have much of a choice on what you get when you buy the machines.. I personally am not a fan of the "rubber cushion" setup, but I am sure there are people out there that love it.. How things are right now, you dont have a choice, you get a rubber cushion, and a piston slide, and then the upgrade feee to get the third option.. so if you want 2 rubber cushions, or 2 pistion slides, etc, for now, your SOL..
I did get rid of mine, for the sole reason that I didnt want to spend anymore money to get what I was looking for in the first place, I would have waited to get the extra parts, but I was in a position where I needed a few new machines, and couldnt go without for much longer.. All the things I listed above, are really very minor, and can be solved with an easy fix, or just some getting used to.. I will also add, that when I put in the classifieds that I was looking to trade these machines, Roman from HM contacted me almost immediatly after to try to resolve any issue.. customer service next to none in my books.. Anyway, Hope this helps..
Cool mate! Thanks
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Fuck,2 things where i was in fear but there are more negativ things !Quote:
Originally Posted by Badhabit
I just saw it on pics but the motor is way to long for me and i tought allready that the thumpsrew is in the way i have this a bit with another hm machine !
I was planing to try one but this makes my dession easyer to not buy one !
Thank you,mate !
Machine is too short leaving no forward weight so you will get weight balance problem also.
machine weighs like 3 oz.... there is no weight issue.... maybe a slight balance issue.. but nothing compared the average coil a machine
Roman .. any discount for forum members??
hello everybody
i am working on trying to get a discount hooked up for forum members….. its just that we had some crazy past couple of weeks launching Symbeos in Europe….
but i know there will be a deal for sure shortly… we are also working on some nice videos as well….
to answer a few questions…
machines weighs 108grs with motor #4 and #5 and 120grs with motor #6
even with the #6 motor option, i believe its on the right scale of weight to not be too light and not too heavy, which i personally find super lightweight machines to be a bit more difficult to work with ( needing usually that bit more of attention and extra work because of the weight issue and having more vibrations to it… ) but that is my personal opinion…
balance … it may look as the motor is a bit longer than other machines ( only rca connections) , but in the overall length we can be talking about 5 to 8 mm aprox… having in mind that we have both clip cord and rca connections( need room for those connectors , wires ,etc inside the cap) and that the clip cord binding posts are what makes it look "longer" its not zoo long… also the motor does NOT go all the way down… like i said there is room for all the connectors there, meaning the motor weight is obviously more balanced toward the machine body. ( this was a very difficult task to get both connectors in there but in my opinion very worth the few extra mm.) the machine is very well balanced and very very little vibrations….
machine body has its nice amount of material and the stroke wheel is a nice and heavy well balanced one with a big bearing that fits inside the machine to add that bit of forward weight to it…
thumbscrew… it has always been an HM thing to have those side thumbscrews and to a vertical crusher or a guillotine tube vice… i know sometimes this gets in peoples way… we have made a nice lower profile thumbscrew for this machine with a lot of leverage power on it due to its width and format ….. however if the thumbscrew sits in tour way towards your hand , it can easily be fixed with an extra washer or just removing 1 washer… that will make your thumbscrew sit in another position that doesn't bother your hand….
of course if i can answer any more questions , please post them here or pm me or even use my personal email… [email protected]
thanks again, roman
videos and forum deals …. shortly…. jajajaja
Guys, I looked at and ran Symbeos at the Brighton Convention..
It was really well balanced to be fair, and whilst running there was (like Roman says) very little vibrations.. It did sound a bit noisier than I expected but not at all bad either. I personally didn't notice any problems with the thumbscrew..
My overall impression fwiw was that Symbeos is a very well made and thought out machine..
Glad you liked it ATS, i feel bad i wasnt at the booth when you came by but im glad you ran the machine and liked it...
As for noise ,the most quietest slide is definately the pivot and then followed by the Cush and the pistón makes a bit more noise... Its difficult to adapt tolerances as standard soo you can interchange all the parts...
If we were to "specifically" fit one slide to one machine it could be more tight ...
Also depends in the lube( note those Machines That were setup for "testing" went threw two very Busy shows and a lot of people trying them Out! Jajaja)
But over all the machine is not "loud" at all ...
Thanks again!!!
Roman
Any other reviews or videos of this?
my boss bought one at brighton and I can confirm it's pretty much silent! A very complete and impressive machine, totally customisable to suit everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roman HM tattoomachines
I want one.
Me too I'm just waiting on the forum deal
Hi Roman, will it be possible to buy some additionnal body to get let's say a liner a packer and a shader without having 2437492432 ( maybe I emphasised a bit :p ) unused spare parts. What I dislike in rotary is the "onemachinefitsall" and I think it could be a very nice possibilty to have a machine for each task. Best regards Vinz.
Yeh i agree as if you buy 2 or 3 machines your guna end up with a load of motors and sliders just piled up never being used. Should do a 3 body 3 motor and slide deal. For a full on epic rotary set.Quote:
Originally Posted by AltarVinz
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I think the way it's set up you can buy the main package and two bodies and have three machines
My thaughts exactly. Would be a good arsenal of machinesQuote:
Originally Posted by artoftatt2
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When you have so many combinations its smart to sell each piece separately so we can choose what we want.
For example I want to buy the #5 motor and machine body and the cushion and piston sliders and all 3 cams.
But I cant.
Would be smart to sell a one motor setup like I described above. I may never need a high torque motor or vice versa.
We appreciate the vast combinations available, but I dont want 6 motors if I am gonna make a liner and soft shader set up. Or 6 cams and 6 sliders.
We the consumers want to buy each part we want. Please make it happen.
And you can charge a little more this way obviously... its a win win
I agree with this..Quote:
Originally Posted by crabink
you all know once you start breaking sells down like that-we will pay out the ass- it takes alot of time and money to stock every part for sell.they would have to stock complete ones and make a tone of extras that are just sitting around. maybe in the future they can do this but not right now.As it is you can buy the bodies/slide/cam/slide set up or extra bodies to pair up with the original full set. a Halo cost 550 for machine/motor and for 140 more with the eikon you get two more motors,two more cams and two more complete slides. So do the math you are getting this setup dirt cheap. A complete halo setup like this would be 870 plus 35 for the two extra slides-total of 940 that would just leave you with the same running machines instead of actually doing a truly different feel/hit that you could set up for different style/tasks.
So do the math 690 Symbeos vs 940 Halo set! 250 difference! and the are both using swiss machines and highend parts.Also you guys pay 550 for inkjectas and 600-650 for dragonfly which are only one hardwired machine.With that 250 difference you could buy a whole symbeos body (225) and have tow complete machines set up different and a spare motor and slide to swap when you fancy.I think this is a great price and maybe it will get some of these other guys to lower their crazy ass prices a bit and be a bit more reasonable.
I completely agree with you.. This is a great deal as you can really get three fully running machines for under the price of two normal rotaries..Quote:
Originally Posted by slicksteel
Agreed
Is there a way to get them from an european supplier ?
So no forum discount I take it?
I dont know that Roman has been on here to see the suggestion just yet.
it's a gimmick. Most of the people will never need to use more than one motor. All these settings, numbers and values are just snake oil. Being able to choose one motor with a specific setting would be more appropriate and if someone wants 6-10 motors on a machine, that's fine too.
So far, there is no technical advancement, only consumerism.
What's new to this machine?
Nothing is new, you have a "lego" like device that implements the same principles already seen on so many machines before.
The news is that a company with lots of money will make even more money producing machines at an industrial scale.
I can see where you're coming from ion but some guys don't know what motors, strokes and give systems work for them until they experiment and it's not anymore expensive than other top line machines that only have 1 option.
The underlying technical advancement is the fact that you can switch out individual parts to tailor it to your style of tattooing. If you buy a machine, don't like it, you gotta buy another one. What if you were asking yourself "if only I can change XXX on this machine than it may just work for me". What machine on the market gives you that option? At least the ability to get different parts to tailor it to your liking is new. I do agree that there is nothing new mechanically in principle. How do you know people will only need one motor? Have you tried all 3 motors? Weird that your first post to this forum is about bashing this machine. Can't knock it till you try it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ion
It really sucks that I cant buy the motor, pistons, cams and body I want. Yes its a nice system but I cant drop 700 to get one fully working machine and then drop another 700 to get another and have duplicates of stuff I will hardly if ever use.
I want a body, #5 motor, cushion sliders and th3 cams. I mean ill drop 550 for that, know8ng that I can pick a new set up next time.
I bought the whole system yesturday from an artist across the street and I really got spooked when the machine wouldnt start and after he fiddled with it I still backed out of the deal because I didnt want to get stuck with so much tech, because I new I wanted another body and would get stuck spending 700 more to get another whole set up.
When a pick a part option comes.. ill buy one ...
Dont take this the wrong way... the different speed and torque motor option is what I am looking for, perhaps that luxury only comes qith a 700 price tag.
Probably you don't get my point. I'm not bashing anything. It's just my personal opinion about this new aspect of tattoo machine building. Even though it was my first post, I don't feel it was anything rude.Quote:
Originally Posted by peezie
Apologies, I misunderstood what you were implying. Calling a new product a gimmick and the options it provides, snake oil, came off as bashing to me but I probably misunderstood. I still don't understand what your implying but I'm not bashing you either. Just my own personal opinion also so I apologize if you take my post the wrong way.Quote:
Originally Posted by ion
Ok, so when you buy a machine, you actually buy the machine that works closer to what the ideal machine should work for you. You get in this case all those components: 3 motors, slides, excenters. Most likely after combining all this stuff, you come up with the ideal machine. What are you going to do with the remaining stuff that most likely you'll never use again just because it's not good enough for you? If you need a liner or another same setup, you buy another system, and get another 2/3 stuff you'll never use.
lol relax bro. It's just a new machine. Vote with your wallet.
maybe people can start a parts exchange post on here for the parts they dont use.
I tried the boss' symbeos a few days ago. Very capable machine and the first rotary with give I have liked, usually prefer a direct solid hit. The only downside was the body is really long and the binders hold the clipcord up which made the machine quite back heavy and a little cumbersome. Managed to get some nice smooth grey with the short stroke settings though.
That's what i'm saying... maybe they should introduce a one machine set up package.... 1 motor, 1 body, 1 slide style, 1 or 2 cams .... do that and the problem is fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ion
I would much rather spend 1100 dollars for two fully pimped out machines the way i want them, rather than 1400 for 2 entire packages full of duplicate tech.
That being said, I ran the blue cushion symbeos the other day #5 motor and loved the feel.. It is exactly what i want... The fact that it had a sputtering problem running really made me think there may be a few glitches to iron out since this is a newly launched machine and there is always room for improvement.
I am sure they play tested it and maybe it was nothing, but the fact that i had to ask the seller for my 600 dollars back from him really made me look like a asshole. The reason was I didn't want to get stuck selling one of my halos just to help buy the system (which I already did and didn't really want to) and having to sell the symbeos if it turned out to be problematic. I know he was pissed at me and I am sure the shit talking about me most likely ensued after i had to renig on the deal. And I don't blame them if they did since Juan Garcia is a master tattoo artist who has zero respect for me as an artist, even though I respect him a 100% as an artist and still to this day have remembered every little thing I learned from him, no matter how small, because everything he said all came true.
Anyways, maybe in the future Eikon and HM will listen to these issues.
Maybe they could hook up the forum with some custom orders?
why would you want to overpay? 1100$? 915$ for deluxe system and a extra body will get you what you need bro. thats 2 full machines and extra parts for everything. Eikon site is setup funky but they do sell the body alone. you have to navigate to it through their menus. give me 1100$ and i'll order it for you haha. all cams all slides all motors and 2 bodies.No more excuses crab. Go get it!Quote:
Originally Posted by crabink