Look like mabuchi motors to me. Nothing wrong with that, although I guess he was charging a whole lot for such a cheap motor.
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Look like mabuchi motors to me. Nothing wrong with that, although I guess he was charging a whole lot for such a cheap motor.
I contacted Nin from Rotar myself. He DID get back to me - sadly, he said that he was affected by the flooding in December and is trying to clean up from that among other things. He told me the machines were sent out, and apologized for not being able to get onto the forum (he is limited to what he can do online) to answer your concerns.
So, fingers crossed the machines get to you all soon, and hopefully, once things calm down over there in the Philippines, he will be online more and will get things taken care of.
As a general reminder, if there are deals that go sour, or there are problems like this, please send me a message so that I can try to take care of things. Again, I hope things start to smooth out - I don't want to do anything 'harsh' just yet, as I don't know for sure what all the details of his situation are.
Thanks Alie K.
I was aware of the flooding there, Nin actually mentioned it in mid/late December. He said everything was ok with him and he was sending the machines. That was the last contact I had with him.
If things have changed for him I can understand and I empathize.
Hopefully it will work out for everyone involved (Nin included of course).
He said that because of his limited internet use (maybe he's only able to access by phone? and this forum really isn't set up for that, sadly) he hasn't been able to get on here. He DID says the machines were sent out, and because of no computer, couldn't post tracking? I don't know, but he said they SHOULD arrive sometime next week.
I also asked him for a phone number where he may be able to be reached and that there were members with machine repair issues that needed to be sorted out. Hopefully he didn't lose his machine shop with flooding also.
my suggestion is Look at the Rotar facebook page... its statust has been updated alot..he's got axis to the internet just fine.
he's selling Solar powered power units ( yes thats what i said)
hem healing products
and showing off the latest Machines.
I'm not accusations, but i say buyer beware
I won one on eBay in mid November, of course its still not here. When a product is listed on eBay it is supposed to be a real item in stock ready to go. I'm not into paying for his future r&d or bills on the promise that his machines will get made and shipped someday. After the few rare, sporadic and contradictory replays from him I am not convinced that he has really sent my machine(he said he sent it last week but no tracking #), and I am going to try to get a PayPal refund. At this point I'd rather get a real machine from a reliable and honest builder who will stand behind his product.
Ok, here is some more correspondence I have had with Nin from Rotar regarding not answering his phone:
"Ah, i was tattoing that time, and after the ring, we were done with the entire session, and i notice when i check my phone, there was a swiss number in my missed call, but i didnt take my phone off my pocket. Yeah because sometimes i cant login in the forum. Still I use the same phone number +639302668577. The tube of that old rotar shift version is wrong in design for the lock. but it can still lock when u tighten them, hold the machine head and twist the lock, because the lock has a flaw in design, it cant hold your fingers, and we are improving better. Thanks everyone for the support."
The message was sent to me on facebook, maybe he is using his phone to do updates?
Sooooo, if you still have a problem with a machine, maybe he is not ignoring people? I can't say for sure, I want to see how this pans out. If anyone gets a machine that was promised to them, please inform me. If something was sent, and you happen to have a tracking number, perhaps opening an investigation with the postal service will get you some results.
I like to give people the benefit of the doubt when I can. In the mean time, I'll keep letting him know that there are some very angry people on the rotary forum.
sigh.
The first machine I got a tracking number that I could never track, but it came eventually. For others I got no tracking number at all.
I tracked the one I sent back and it entered the philippines on Dec. 15th. after that I cant track it.
Ok so I just chated to nin via facebook and here is the tracking number for SAGE OZ: EE300663087PH
go to http://www.ems-tracking.net guys if you have a tracking number.
Nin says if you have the old shift he will exchange it for the new one.
Thanks Alie, I'll cool off and give him the benefit of a couple more weeks, it'll probably show up tomorrow and run awesome, look beautiful and be in the preferred colors i wanted and have none of it's predecessors' small flaws and I'll look like a total dick.
Nin sent me a tracking number as well.....However there is nothing as of yet to track...I hope this just works out for everybody.
It's a good sign that he is willing to swap out the older model shift(vice that doesn't grab the tubes?). Since it takes so long to get machines for some people, if you need that exchange done to get your machine working (even if it's just to sell it on ebay) I'd find out from Nin if he can just send you the part if that's possible.
If anyone has their OWN experience with the Rotar machine (good/bad or otherwise), and wants to start a NEW thread reviewing it, I always encourage that. Sometimes comments left in one large thread tend to get lost, and newer members can have difficulty searching for info on a specific machine they are considering purchase of.
Ok ,so if your in the USA and have a tracking number from rotar you can use the first site I posted after about a week or so to see if it has left(sometimes customs & local post is slow)-once it is here you will be able to track it on this website:http://usps.ems-tracking.net/
This has worked for me before to keep me updated.
What facebook page have you used to get in touch with him? Not the Rotar Machine page is it?
here ya go throwhammers:
https://www.facebook.com/ninnerity
Same a thing I got!! And really noise !!Quote:
Originally Posted by STong
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...5887993&type=3
Got scammed. Crap motor in a nice body. It's like sticking a pinto motor in a porsche body. Still can't drive.
i cant find this online to buy no where!
what size is the motor and could i swap it with a neotat motor or something?
im on a samsung galaxy s2 using this forum most of the time
Another Monday and my Rotar still ain't here. Going on 2 1/2 months. Sigh.
On the positive side I just scored a nice tattooed pirate blunderbuss for $100 :)
If that blunderbuss doesn't do the trick for you, I will buy it from ya!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sage Oz
In case you were unaware, paypal only gives you 90 days to make a claim (at the longest). I'd hate to find out that someone took your money and never sent a machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sage Oz
Sorry Owlly, I'm too stoked on the bus to give it up anytime soon. Spent a few hours today tearing it apart cleaning rebuilding and modding it and adding a RCA. Now it looks good too. It runs killer, if you find one cheap snatch it up.
I will, I have a line on a rapier one I am after. I find out tomorrow if I am getting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sage Oz
Didnt you get a tracking number recently?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sage Oz
I do have a tracking number thanks to slicksteel but it doesn't have any results on either ups or ems(i just tryed both again) so it's probably not real. Lame.Quote:
Originally Posted by throwhammers
yea that tracking systems is slow to show(as it is most of the time stuck in customs/sitting to be delivered) but when it gets to the states it will show within about a week of delivery on the usps one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sage Oz
I just checked mine and it is being processed to go out. yours prob will show up in a few days and be on its way hopefully.
So happy! my new rotar(latest updated and fixed model) just cleared customs today and is in frisco should be here in a few days!!
GG ! Let us know how this one run ?
Looks like it is in route today so should be here today or the next-that is only ten days to get here
After some thought(in which i was also quick to judge) I realy do think Nin was trying make a good machine afterall -Upon talking to Nin/rotar I just think he spread him shelf to thin, he also had problems with the company machining the frames-they pushed his back due to other products being made and delayed.Their was also a major disaster right next to were he,company family & friends live in which alot of people died-I do think he jumped the gun on getting the first shift out before doing more R&D, but I thank he will make it right for everybody in the end by offering the upgrades if you have been using it or the new one if you sent it back right away before use.
In regards to the motor their are plenty of builders that use that same brand and charge around the same price.
just my two cents:)
Yes!!! As I sat here reading Slick's post guess what showed up at my doorstep? Both my machines have finally showed. I'm seriously stoked this is all working out. Thanks Nin. I'll post a review after I use them.
I hope your machines are great.
I on the other hand, finally got in touch with nin, and he said he gave slicksteel tarcking numbers for my machines and to keep my eyes open for them this week. I, of course, checked with slicksteel who said he got only tracking numbers for his machines and sage oz. (and i got no machines this week)
I messaged nin again and said he could give me the tracking numbers. Two days later and no response. I sent another message today asking for my money back. Im tired of being given the run around, ignored, and lied to. Ive been dealing with this since the beginning of november when I ordered the first machine.
If I ever decide I want to try a Rotar again I will buy only from a reseller. But I've had enough of this.
If I get my money back it will probably go to a machine from a builder with a better reputation. Maybe another centri...
I am sure they on there way,maybe it was just a mistake.:)
Mine just showed up, and it's awesome! Black w/ gold trim. Came with its own very nice matching 1/8 to 1/4 phono plug. Finish is very good with only a couple sharp edges that needed a quick file. Seems to run great, quiet, smooth with only a hint of give. Vice works really well on my tatsoul disposable tubes. I'll post a review after I get some time on it. Gotta say I've got my foot in my mouth a bit here but if Nin had only been more up front and communitive I wouldn't have minded the wait so much. Hope you get yours soon as well Throwhammers...
Pff...
Guess what showed up this morning?
Yeah. 2 machines. Finally.
Won't know if they work until Monday.
Looks like Nin came through in the end, and it only took a month and a half and a half dozen forum members (including the owner) pestering him to make it happen.
First thing I notice is it is 1/8" power ONLY. Which means my Kraft Akku is out and i have to set up my critical. And if I want to use another machine I have to have another cable laying around and switch the cables.
... Already ordered an adapter.
I hope that they work out for you. I am glad everyone is getting their machines. I was begging to think that we weren't going to hear any happy stories.
still a terrible set up to chance spending money with...i hope the machines dont reflect the piss poor quality of customer care shown by rotor?
The machines actually look really nice. The smaller plug makes it look really streamlined (but I think it should come with an adapter and I would gladly sacrifice the look for a more universal connection) and the tube vise works, and again, is pretty streamlined. The one thing I didn't like about the last one was the cap on the top had only one screw so it seemed like it was not secure. That is fixed here. Completely redesigned. I don't know about functionality yet, and yes, customer service (if you can call it that) is absurdly bad.