How do you guys feel about this machine? Ive seen the Bazzoka thread and the pics were different but this one looks like a pimped up Dragonfly knock off as well...
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How do you guys feel about this machine? Ive seen the Bazzoka thread and the pics were different but this one looks like a pimped up Dragonfly knock off as well...
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(I find your comment hilarious considering you have the fake dragonfly "gun" yourself here: http://www.rotarytattoo.com/showthre...y-TATTOO-s-Gun ...)
This is my comment and I stand to - FUCK NAZIS -
what does that have to emulate the Rotary DRAGONFLY REP ansich, NOT
You only think about times before posting this crap
nochwas and, in my opinion the DRAGONFLY REP is even BETTER than the ORIGINAL
I own one of these and a Dragonfly, they are similar in appearance though the Bazooka is slightly smaller. That's where the similarilty ends, the Bazooka is a hard hitting armature Rotary you could Tattoo concrete with it, the Dragonfly of course is a different mechanism ,it uses a slide piston.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildboy
It's a good point, the bazooka looks a lot like a pimped out DF copy. I have always thought that. I will say the compact a-bar is still a cool idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildboy
As for the comment on the stealth, I mentioned that because it made a point and the group does have a badge for it.
I see... Does he build the frames himself? How do you like the machine?Quote:
Originally Posted by peter clements
Of course no offense but its still a knock off and I think the little Swiss company should get at least the credit for bringing this machine into the Tattoo world...Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsDen
Yes naturally. It would be even better if there were no copies.
true that!
I like the machine, Dino is a good builder. Don't know how the frames are made ,you have to put them side by side to see the subtle differences,I might take some pictures for you. Anyone who owns a DF will give credit to the Swiss company that created them, I certainly do, I have the short stroke, it's the best B&G machine I've ever used by a mile.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildboy
Now getting back to frames how many generic versions have we seen of Jensen,Rogers,Jonesy, etc,etc,etc. I see them more of a tribute really.
I thought the dragonfly was from Sweden. I also thought that the Swiss comment was target at the stealth.
The old masters arent around anymore to build them themselves and most of the time the machines are named after the builder the original frame style came from to give them credit...Quote:
Originally Posted by peter clements
Ive read nothing but good things about Dinos machines so far I would buy one myself maybe.
It was... Its hard to keep track with all the off topic about nazis, hippies, filip leu, knockoff machines, switzerland, pornography and all that ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsDen
Hitler stole the swastika from the Bon religion, in Buddhism it represents the mind seal of enlightenment. There are many large Buddha statues in the East that have the Buddha with a swastika on his chest. Despite it's original roots the symbolism has become tainted as well as the Toothbrush style mustache. As for hipster kooks no one cares about them...their goal isn't educating the masses but a stupid game they play. There will always be rip offs it seems, at least people using a frame like Rogers say it's a Rogers or keep the name like bull dog for a bull dog style frame. I personally think other than the Swiss cross on the chuck the Stealth is almost visually indistinguishable from the Swiss rotary. The success of the Swiss ripoff has made the practice into a successful frame work for others to do exactly the same thing with other companies lines of machines. Of course one could say it's the companies fault for not getting international design patients and fiercely protecting their intellectual property, it's a legal monopoly that shouldn't be over looked.
I think maybe because they started making there version before the swiss was realy popular-they have put alot of money+time in marketing it and copyrighting it. If anything it bought biz to the swiss original in the states as alot of lic tattooers have bought the stealh and liked it so much that they end up buying the original.I also think the original is very high priced for such a simple basic machine and it would sell better if it was a bit lower in price.This design is not new tattooers have home built rotarys like this for years in canada and the uk were rotarys have been king.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildboy
That makes a lot of sense...
Let's not forget the Peter Tieg machine of Germany it's supposed to be the Rolls Royce of this type of Rotary. I have one that's not getting used, it'll be coming up for sale soon ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by slicksteel
THIS MTF IS PAOLO CRUZES, all his staff his MADE IN CHINA, and him resale and say are build from him, i talk with him on FB, is retard, one of the worst people ever talk about TATTOO MACHINES, is worst than chinese him...
this is chinese??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZNFmg53zag
dude claims to be the original creator of dot work tattooing at the end of that vid. :confused:
I wonder is we can borrow his time machineQuote:
Originally Posted by MatFink
To Be Fair this is Xed Lehead, yep i would say he was a forerunner if not the first, to popularise the dot!! the machine is a paulo, and imho he makes well liked and great coils even if th eframes are made in China (so is a Gibson Guitar).Quote:
Originally Posted by MatFink
But this is why i first made a post about it, it is sad that he should do this with a blatant copy, If it had th esame princables and a complete different look, then i would understand putting a Maxon power unit, and up against the best, or even talking with chinese manufacturers about changing design.
Seems that he is at the moment on tour, n probley dont give a fuck,
to alter a chinese machine for yourself is great if it works for you, but to sell and compete it against its original (without so much as a design plan), as a dragonfly Replica, is out of the boundry. and puts Art into profit greed!!!
I must admit I don't understand what Paulo is doing here at all, it seems almost deliberatly antagonistic, and yet people will tell you he's not that sort of guy . I just don't know what he's playing at.
you know xed lhead?Quote:
Originally Posted by MatFink
Yeah he has me stumped this time too Pete! That's what makes me think its some personal feud / vendetta against the Ink machines guys especially after Paulo posted their machines were a rip off when someone asked him about his blatant rip off...Quote:
Originally Posted by peter clements
Know of. I know there's always going to be some sensationalism in promotion, but it's a pretty broad call is all. I'm just a stickler for details I guess. I realise that "innovator/re-inventor of the stippling technique in the modern tattoo medium" doesn't quite have the same ring to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by robinTS
Paulo cruzes is one of the worst builder and man can u ever find in tattoo world...that's all
him act exactly like a chinese, the same...probable worst than them...
i would be honored if someone copied my designs and tattoos because this means he likes my art and he sees me as better than him.and the person who says he never copied a tattoo with minor changes from artists who are considered (at least by me)fathers of the tattoo art like Guy Aitchison , Aaron Cain ,and many more is a fucking liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildboy
Panos, you obviously have not had someone copy your work. And by your own admission, you obviously copy peoples work with minor changes to them. Not everyone is like you so don't speak for us please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Panos tattoo
ooooosh!
Hes no hippy - he has a jobQuote:
Originally Posted by Gabetexas
RIpping off is not the same as inspiring - its one thing to use another s art as inspiration, and totally different to copy and change a few things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Panos tattoo
That being said - tattooing with no clipcord cover in a carpeted room, with sandels on doesn't put you high on the "ethical" list for me.
How did you get in here - everything in you profile points to a scratcher
but when you look at the body of the machine where the swastikas are, you can see the stripes. so if he did buil the body, why make stripes if it's gonna be in the way of your design ?
you understood what i ment by separeting inspiring and rip off.this is what i was trying to explain but my english are horrible because its not my language.im not saying that you or i have it as a habbit but i have the balls though to admit that i did tattoos of famus artists in my early years of tattooing because i admire their art and inspiration and i wish i had their talend at the time. they were ages infrond of you and me and everyone else who is biching and act like divas for something i said and i insist that most of you did it even if you are ibarassed to admit it .or should i belive that you were born with a tattoo machine in your hand and knew the unwriten laws of tattooing and ethics?where the hell did you saw a carpeted room,? i dont have a clue.why the fuck do you care if i ware sandals?bacteria thrive on sandals and they try to avoid shoes?or do you sterilize your shoes before you go home?I LIVE IN AN ISLAND WITH TEMPERATURES OF 50 DEGRECE CELCIUS IN THE SUMMER MORON!! does that make me a scratcher?Quote:
Originally Posted by nivek
and i got here the same way you did!!!at least peezie said speak for your self because i dont agree with you ,without any insults or being snootily.in my opinion its dicks like you who should be banned from forums because you judge someone without knowing him. now did you like the way i spoke to you and do you want to bring this conversation on an even lower level? or do you want to apologise and refrase your earlier comment?
Hardly so, son. We did NOT come up the same way, my mentor would have torn a strip out of me if I boosted someone elses design and called it mine, or tattooed in a roomed carpet without a clipcord cover and wore sandals. Sandals are carpet are NOT allowed in professional tattoo shops in any state or province I know of due to health concerns. So that's what points to scratcher to me, hey I hope I am wrong - but if I am - I HIGHLY recommend you look into getting some reading regarding blood borne pathogens before that carpet becomes a life form.Quote:
Originally Posted by Panos tattoo
1) I have shoes that I wear for the shop and at the shop. Sandals are stupid in a shop because you are putting yourself at risk - drop a dirty needle on your foot sometime, then see how you feel about it.
2) You are tattooing on CARPET - and that is a no no for many reasons, if you need it explained - then maybe you shouldn't be tattooing.
3) If you honestly think wearing sandals is cooling you down, good for you - might I suggest you invest in an air-conditioner ? If you are a pro its a write off
4) Flash is flash - its not YOUR art, yes I have done flash - but I don't call it my art, I call it flash.
Fine I'm a dick - I care about not killing myself or a client due to dirty working conditions, I didn't insult you I said - sandal and carpet point to scratcher because of the same reasons mentioned above. You read a LOT into three lines of text, impressive.
I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone over the internet, this forum or otherwise, people don't change. As for where I saw the picture - it was in your facebook profile that you posted on your profile in here. I hope its an old one or the wrong one - and if it is - I suggest you add an actual link in your profile, because the one that comes up is not helping your cause.
I hope that I am wrong and the profile I found is an older one, judging by your newer work I would say so, however dickish I may come across the simple reality is we are all human and we all make mistakes - as long as we make an effort to learn from them. Mind you by your own admission you are tattooing in sandals in carpeted room.
*edited in an attempt to add a bit of humility and a bit less reactionary, but probably failed*
Off topic, but this made me think that most tattoo conventions are carpeted. Some of them not even covered.
Yeah - many do. Mind you then tend to avoid shag carpeting. Is it ideal - no, but you're gonna have a hard time getting the Hilton to rip up the carpeting.
Good point none the less.
but its not a carpet and i never admited that.in my profile photo you can barely see my face!!!its my hands and a mikey sharpz machine.were do you see a carpet?are you looking at my profile?my shops floor is black plastic called pirelli( this is how they call it in my country )and its the one you see in hospitals and airports.all the furniture is stainless steel and three quarters of the walls are mirror covered up to 1.80 cm.as for sandals,id like you to visit cyprus during summer and try to ware jeens and shoes.you will die from heat stroke!!!yes i do have an A/C and i also have an air purifier system in order to kill bacteria and wont allow them to get in my AC filter were they can thrive.im not tattooing for a long time but in almost 10 years of tattooing,i ve never dropped a needle or an ink cup on the floor or my shoes,as you did.(you said it in your threat)Quote:
Originally Posted by nivek
again you did understand and you pointed me the word that would rest my case.Flash designs!!!everyone used it and every one wanted to be as talented as the one who drew them.forgive me for not remembering the word flash because first its not my native language,Greek are,and second the last time i used it was in the late
90's were tattoos were eagles killing snakes and panthers hanging on your skin.today im using the word design or project.(no offence in old school tattoo designs)
and last,im not your son.i am Demetris Karallis son.you are a colleague tattoo artist.
but its not a carpet and i never admited that.in my profile photo you can barely see my face!!!its my hands and a mikey sharpz machine.were do you see a carpet?are you looking at my profile?my shops floor is black plastic called pirelli( this is how they call it in my country )and its the one you see in hospitals and airports.all the furniture is stainless steel and three quarters of the walls are mirror covered up to 1.80 cm.as for sandals,id like you to visit cyprus during summer and try to ware jeens and shoes.you will die from heat stroke!!!yes i do have an A/C and i also have an air purifier system in order to kill bacteria and wont allow them to get in my AC filter were they can thrive.im not tattooing for a long time but in almost 10 years of tattooing,i ve never dropped a needle or an ink cup on the floor or my shoes,as you did.(you said it in your threat)Quote:
Originally Posted by nivek
again you did understand and you pointed me the word that would rest my case.Flash designs!!!everyone used it and every one wanted to be as talented as the one who drew them.forgive me for not remembering the word flash because first its not my native language,Greek are,and second the last time i used it was in the late
90's were tattoos were eagles killing snakes and panthers hanging on your skin.today im using the word design or project.(no offence in old school tattoo designs)
and last,im not your son.i am Demetris Karallis son.you are a colleague tattoo artist.
Not a threat - and no I have never dropped a needle on my feet, but it can happen - as can spilling rinse cups etc which is why I wear shoes, and the health department requires it, its also whey when I do use a rinse cup its firmly stuck down with a cut 1/2 cup) I promise you, regardless of how hot it was (hey but its okay you have ac) I would ALWAYS wear shoes in a tattoo shop, all it takes is one customer not paying attn or passing out - and one of your machines falling on your foot (may be a long shot but I won't take that chance.)
I'm not going to get lost on a ramble here, obviously you and I have different opinions on safe work environment. Maybe it's a old profile - or not even yours just another dude tattooing without a clip-cord sleeve and it sandals - odd co-incidence. As I said people don't change, and I am not going to bother wasting my time.
I wish you all the best, I hope that you never drop a needle or anything else on your feet, and that contaminated ink and/or blood is not dropping onto your open toed shoes as you work.
I hope one of the two profiles I found wasn't you, and if it isn't, I would suggest you put a link into your profile to your facebook page as the one I found first was the carpeted one, it looks like its got some time on it - there isn't a lot of tattoos on your arm, again, maybe its not you. I hope I am wrong - and if I am, sorry.
I still stand by my comment re sandals, however. I know your are not my son....
Best of luck to you.
Nivek
it must be a huge misunderstanding here because im trying to find this link with the dude you say tattooing on a carpeted room and no tattoos on his arms and i cant find it.i can see my photo though.by the way i have shaved hair and both of my hands are covered with full sleeve tattoos.again you can barely see my face on the photo,just my hands and my miky sharpz tattoo machine.you cant even see the clip cord.as for sandals,its the ones that they ware in surgery rooms and generally in hospitals.comfortable, better for high temperatures,and if its purchased from a medic company that supplies hospitals and clinics,its approved by me.different people,different opinions right?Quote:
Originally Posted by nivek
no hard feelings and im sorry if i behaved as a dick,but it was a reaction because i was insulted for hygene and FLASH DESIGNS(a word that i will always remember now lol)
i have to improve my english and leave google translate alone :)
Well shit happens, I may not agree with you (re sandals) - but you are not an enemy but any means. I apologize as well, in case you didn't figure it out - I can get a bit head strong at times.
I'll find the link and if it is older stuff of you maybe you can have fb take it down, because it isn't going to help your cause.
Nivek