Rotar

[QUOTE=throwhammers;27401]The machines actually look really nice. The smaller plug makes it look really streamlined (but I think it should come with an adapter and I would gladly sacrifice the look for a more universal connection) and the tube vise works, and again, is pretty streamlined. The one thing I didn't like about the last one was the cap on the top had only one screw so it seemed like it was not secure. That is fixed here. Completely redesigned. I don't know about functionality yet, and yes, customer service (if you can call it that) is absurdly bad.[/QUOTE
Its pretty easy to get an small adapter at radio shack for a couple of bucks -I had one for my first neotat that had his same kind of plug-converts it to rca.

On the service end I think Nin/Rotar just feel into alot of problems that were out of his hands such as the weather problems(I believe some people he knows died as the disaster struck right in the area were he lives and works),and delays by the machine shop that set it back about 3 weeks.-sure he should have got back quicker(he did answer me within a few days on facebook know that i look back at it)but the guy is only human and made some mistakes but seems to be trying to set things right-in fact most company that sell you a product that has some problems will only fix them not send you a whole new better model for free.
Hey we all make mistakes now dont we? I myshelf out of human nature jumped the gun and let anger get the better of me.
Just my two cents.:D

I gotta say too that I got caught up in the mob mentality on this one. My machine came yesterday and I got to do 3hrs of black and color work(with a curved and chisel angled textured 5 mag)on my buddy's old biomech piece that we are reworking and my initial impression of the machine's ability is very high. I immediately was comfortable with it, one little voltage adjust and i was smiling from ear to ear the whole time. He however said it was more painful than the swashdrive gen 6 that i had used last time. The only mishap was one of the setscrews for the return spring vibrated out, I'd suggest putting some medium loctite on them. The whole time it ran really smooth and saturated extremely well. It is a bit fragile looking, but is very nicely designed and manufactured. I'll test it's abilities in lining hopefully today and give a better review after I've had more time with it.

maybe it hurt a bit more because you were going over old tattooed skin? Yea they do seem to be made realy well and put together alot better. they do seem to run very smooth and quiet-I have seen some killer work done with this model.Wish i could get down with no give machines-althoe this one looks to have just a tad-maybe that is why it works so well.Maybe i should keep it afterall.:)

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Originally Posted by Sage Oz

He however said it was more painful than the swashdrive gen 6 that i had used last time.

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Although its only slight, the Swash does have a tiny bit of give even with the hard clip, which might account for him thinking it was more painful. You could try relaxing your stretch a little to compensate, I think it was Gaston or Franco that called this method something like using the skins natural give.

If I were in the states I would just run to radio shack for an adapter... But Switzerland is a bit different. I managed to get one, but it took most of the day and I had to go to like 5 different stores.

Yeah we all got our machines, and yes, Nin is only human. There were issues out of his control, BUT all he had to do was respond to a message or post here (and I mean before there was any natural disaster) and be up front and honest "Hey man, I'm having production problems the machines will be late..." or whatever, and all would have been ok. This situation was very poorly handled and could have easily been taken care of early on.

But, it's over now. Lesson learned. Now to focus on these machines!

Yes I think he is on the ball now he has been replying to me right away. ;)
How has the rotar been working for you throwhammers?

I dont know yet, I had saturday off... Ill find out today though. How many volts have you been running your machine at? I notice mine seem to start kinda slow and then warm up a bit and the speed increases.

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Originally Posted by throwhammers

I dont know yet, I had saturday off... Ill find out today though. How many volts have you been running your machine at? I notice mine seem to start kinda slow and then warm up a bit and the speed increases.

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I have not tattooed yet with mine-ran it for 10min to make sure all is well with it before i get rid of it due to not wanting any no give machines as I use coils alot and it is just to hard to keep going back to a nogiver one-althoe it seems to have a small bit of give-which seems to make it tattoo well according to sage oz. It seems to have a breakin time of about 5min because of tight tolerences-then it will start at lower volts.

I ran mine for about 15min before tattooing with it so it was broken in I guess, I didn't notice any change , maybe it was already prebroken in or that 15 was enough I guess. I did another two small color tats with it on Sat and it performed just as well. I did noticed that the cylindrical slider piston has a lot of play in it and can turn(twist) sideways freely about 10 degrees or so. Not a big deal though once its set up and runnin. I did have a couple stalls when trying to restart after a pause. Turned out the drive was getting wedged at the bottom of the stroke if it was stopped at that exact position. I added a bit more spring tension by turning in the set screws one turn each and problem solved. I ended up using a tiny dab of wood glue(I couldnt find my loctite) on the set screw threads to keep em snug.

So aside from the adjustments needed, how did it tattoo?

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Originally Posted by OwlsDen

So aside from the adjustments needed, how did it tattoo?

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It ran awesome. I really love it so far. The chuck is still a bit time consuming to use as it's kinda tough tightening it up while keeping tube aligned, though not a big deal. The tube vise grips well enough(works alot better if you grease the threads) and is totally low profile. Overall I'm really happy with the Rotar, but we shall see what the longevity is like. I'm definately keeping mine for now!

they look like a neuma2 chuck/vice

Except the Neuma has the collet male part attached to the frame and the tightening chuck nut screws onto it. On the Rotar the collet screws into the frame. Difference is that on the Neuma, when you tighten the vise, the tube stays aligned with the frame, while on the Rotar when you tighten the nut it wants to spin your tube as well. Makes it harder to set up, but not a huge deal. I'd rather it was like the Neuma, or better yet just a nice guillotine vise.

Yea but if the collet broke on the rotar you could just replace that part with out trowing away the whole frame which would be a plus.:)

True. But I wonder how many collets on neumas have ever broken. Probably 0. Funny, because the Rotar looks like it'd break if it was dropped or looked at wrong lol. I do love the machine, but sure wouldn't mind another 10grams of aluminum on it. Mine weighs in at 54 grams. Might be the lightest electric tattoo machine made. I also wouldn't mind a different slider , maybe square instead of round so it couldn't twist laterally. Sure it would be harder and costlier to machine, probably why it's round.

I bought mine because of the weight (or lack thereof).

The last version (the first one i had) had the collet on the outside and it screwed onto the frame. The tubes wouldnt turn when you tightened it, but it wouldn't tighten enough to hold the tube.

Also, if you arent careful when you set up the machine you can very easily puncture or tear a glove on the sharp parts on the back (yes, I know a file will take care of that, but I don't want to file the anodizing off)

Its been said before i think, but I feel like these machines are changing every couple of months, and the changes are not minor. I think one needs to be settled upon and carefully refined. Not overhauled every time. Though I do applaud the effort, enthusiasm, and ingenuity going into these machines.

I carefully filed all the edges on mine right after the first use. I have to customize everything I own, damn OCD.