thanks for posting the pics for me Mike I think I figured out the problem i cant post pics or video from the ipad
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thanks for posting the pics for me Mike I think I figured out the problem i cant post pics or video from the ipad
Hey mike does this new model have adjustable stroke that is not voltage based-is there an actual physical setting in/on the machine?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyberitual
Yes the centri will have a set screw above the rca to adjust your stroke, and of course you can use the power supply to adjust aswell for a full range of stroke that fits everybody's personal choice.
thats damm good idea... wow to see how the rotary has grown in the past year.
very cool idea as you will have a stroke set range then you will be able to vary the power curve within that setting.
I got a little chubby reading that! should more then address any concerns I had about lining with your machine! well doneQuote:
Originally Posted by Cyberitual
hogwash.....:)
just as a example....look at the neotat!....look at the price....look at the guys that use them!...no doubt neotat went through hard times to get where they are now...but there service is second to none....they have support and have proved there selfs...man i want to buy some vivaces....because i know i will never be let down by them.....
what the _ _ _ _ was that meant to prove? Absolutely nothing! I was simply making a comment about this machine.( to Mike) Which was, that because of it's original design, I saw limits in the way it could be ran. Because of the adjustable stroke, these limits have been taken away (or should). Just a question here...you say you "love" the Centri? So am I right in assuming that you've run with one and know what the machine can do? If you have, I'm REALLY surprised to see you talking down on it the way that you are...if not? then why are you even talking? All I know is that I HAVE run with one, and was very impressed with it, and look forward to getting the machine(s) that I have ordered. As far as price? That's for you and your pocket to decide. I paid $1300 for 2 Dragonflys, I've paid as much as $2200 for an Aaron Cain, and anyone that knows me will tell you that I've put 50 times that into my collection. So what's $600 for a machine but an investment in another tool to add to my arsenal? Hell, I've blown 3x's that in one night on strippers and "party favors"! I could really care less about the average tattooer in a street shop, or how it has or hasn't proved anything to Joe Shmoe...I dig it, and in the end that's all that matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by elbo
:) :):)
God knows why you take it the wrong way....i give my opinion and you try to prove you are a Hunk of a man!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by elbo
Back to your corners gentlemen, the round is over.
I look at it this way, from both end: Developer and Tattoo artist. If the machine is $600 and it can last me for a good $500 fair size tattoo it paid itself about 500 times.
If the machine is expensive and it breaks right away and on top of that customer service sucks, then it's a waste of money.
To manufacture in the US is really expensive. Everything has a tag price. You are not only paying for parts, you have to take into consideration the research and development that took the builder to come up with the final result.
I'm not saying that expensive machines are better than fairly price machines but there is a market for everyones budget and need.
My 2 cents
Spending a hefty amount on a good machine can be smart, spending money on a stripper is always stupid. Just saying!!
Gaston is right, one substancial tattoo will pay for a machine,plus if you look after said machine,you'll get all if not most of your money back on Ebay for instance-a while ago I sold a Stigma Bizarre and got back about 20% more than what I paid for it.A tattoo machine unlike many other material things,earns it's keep,and if it's truly a great machine will give the owner a great deal of pleasure.Regarding the Centri,what people on this forum have used it have been very impressed,some very much so. I'm gonna give this machine a go,anyway what I spend on tattooing supply is all tax deductable in the UK anyway.
I am not understanding this but I think its a typo or I am an idiot! Either way when you buy anything not just a tattoo machine you are paying for everything including research. Shit I am typing this on a MacBook Pro that cost around $1700 and there is no way there are $1700 worth of parts on this. If there was no profit why would they put hundreds of man hours and there own money into coming up with new ideas. Now I won't pay $600 for a tattoo machine but thats just me but that doesn't mean there not worth it...My 2 centsQuote:
Originally Posted by fkirons
Holy cow wth is going on in here lol. Am i missing something? Did i not answer a question? Do i have bad customer support? In do time there will be many more reviews from the interested members of this forum who purchased them. Lets all just relax and wait till then to debat my product or my company.
"I could really care less about the average tattooer in a street shop,"
Nice inkslingers...sounds like in that post you pretty much don't care about anything nor anyone or what their opinions are. Then why join a forum?? Is it not so we ALL can voice our opinion and help each other out? AND to discuss our views of the pros and cons of a product?
I for one have personal reasons I don't use certain machines, but never look down nor rip someone that uses it or gives alot of praise to a machine.
JMHP.
Thanks,
Russ
I totally see Gaston's points.Quote:
Originally Posted by fkirons
Even as far as something expensive paying for itself, that's how I rationalize some books. If I see a $300 book, and there are only 2 or 3 good references in it, if I feel that those references will end up as a few $500 or $600 tattoos, the book has paid for itself several times, and I get the bonus of looking at the rest of it on occasion for as long as I own it.
I also don't like buying things (especially some tools) sight unseen, but if I see a $600 tattoo machine that appeals to me, and I like the way it feels when I plug it in, I figure it will eventually pay for itself. If it's something special, and I don't like it, and I manage to sell it, hey, any money I get for it will soften the "damn, I wasted money on that piece of poo" feeling.
As far as paying for manufacturing, R&D etc, I totally get that. Especially if something is a new concept - that takes time, energy and money to come to fruition. Once upon a time, only some high end vehicles had a monitor in them to show you how close something was behind you when you back up. Now, several years later, the new concept has been generalized and knocked off and it's in my Mom's minivan.
That's the reason I understand the OTHER side of the coin, where it's reassuring to know that something is tried and true and used for some time before I try it. Stuff like new technology (Windows Vista was a heap of crap, wasn't it?), when people got their new iphones and they would hang up on them in the middle of a call because of the new antenna location (which over time was resolved), medications (thalidomide may have been great for pregnancy nausea, but 2 words - "thalidomide babies" explains enough), I could probably stop now because I'm sure you get the point.
To each their own. Some people like to be the Jones', some people try to keep up with them, some people badmouth them about how frivolous they are.
My 2 cents. Take it or leave it.
I hope when i start selling my machines i can start a new thread about them and ditch this one. Its just lost all perspective on what im trying to achieve here. I just want to share my machine and ideas with you guys. Who cares what it cost, if its to much right now, then sit back and wait alittle till the reviews come in. If by then it sounds like something you would be interested in, then i dont think the price will matter. Come on, lets all go have a beer and laugh alittle.
My 2 cents...
Here we go again...I swear some of you talk just to talk....but I'll try to be cool and explain my comment, which fyi, you totally misunderstood. Another member made a post (which was deleted) that included a statement that the Centri was not worth $600 because it had yet to be proven by the average tattooer in a street shop...I simply said that I could care less about that, because I've had the opprotunity to check out the Centri and was very impressed with it. As it seems that everyone that has ACTUALLY had one in their hands has been!Quote:
Originally Posted by Inkslinger
awesome thread. i ate snacks while reading. :D
oooowww the drama lol cant we all just get along! lol:rolleyes:
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I would suggest we adjourn this discussion until there are more users who have the machine in hand and have givin' it at least a few good laps around the track. All new start ups have growing pains so we can at least give this one a little time to breath.
If you are refering to me I deleted my posts because as a after thought i realised i was being a little unfair to the builder...i still believe its not worth $600,i still believe its unproven...i still 100% dont think i will buy one...I really think $600 for a machine that has only tickled the balls of the tattoo user world is too much...man the nuema,stigma,neotat werent nothing like that when they were trying for the market.,yeh the builder might be a shit hot tattooist! dont mean hes a engineer or understands what makes a machine work or work for the man in the street....look at the billions of coil frames and coil wrap bullshit....but in the end they all refer to the jenson,p rogers,walker,coleman and many others...others who proved themselves...man i wasnt putting anyone down....just seeing it from my view....So chill a little Russ or pm me to let it all out..Quote:
Originally Posted by Inkslingers
lol I thought we were!Quote:
Originally Posted by slicksteel
I dig that!!!! enough saidQuote:
Originally Posted by Administrator
Whats the record for the longest thread on this forum?
hmmmm:cool:
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Thanks for the stats admin, it was just a curiosity thing lol.
All good, I actually had to remember how to look that function up since I don't use it all the time. :)
I have been using the Centri in fact two of them for over two months now wouldn't trade them for the world these machines are amazing..... And all this bitching about them being unproven for 600 bucks is a joke..... Heard of stigma 600 plus..... dragonfly 650 when unproven and the hawk 450 plus there needles almost every rotary coming out of Europe is at least 600 don't hear you bitching about them..... This machine is worth every bit of 600 I will have 3new ones in two weeks and the rest of you will be wondering what you missed out on"....... I will be rockin these machines at the Wilkes Barre tattoo convention in Nov. If your in the area come check them out....... You can put a price limit on your tools this is the future of machines.... So get on board or get left behind
It might help if you find someone with a centri ... I've had artists come to my shop just to check this thing out and most of them have placed orders...... So comparing the centri to neotat, bishop stigma dragonfly or hawk or any of the other rotaries is comparing apples to oranges ..... You don't want to spend the money then buy something else but until you have tattooed with this amazing machine you really have nothing to say that matters...... I don't know Mike from Centri personally but after talking with him for hours your not going to find anyone more willing to please his customers so please buy a rotary from Europe or Australia then try to get service
<--- waiting tell tax season, have to buy diapers here in a month :)
600 bucks for an american made machine that has this type of engineering is more than fair.
How many tattoos can you make with this machine? you can pay this machine with half a tattoo!
And it has a swiss motor. that the motor alone costs about 90 bucks.
Hey Bill thanks for the very kind statements you have posted, but i bet if i had a 2012 lamborgini for trade you would op to pay shipping lol! Gaston has the true understanding of why my machine is at the retail that it is. The machine will pay for itself within 3-4 tattoos by the average artist, some could profit before they finish the first one. Im positive that the Centri itself will bring return clients, that alone is priceless.
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Originally Posted by tattoosbybill
I believe the Centri is a great machine...and yep the stigmas are alot of money for a machine that dont seem to last and as ive said in previous posts the stigmas arent proven to be reliable...the dragonfly had lots of testing and yeh it was expensive but from what i found when i looked into them they were tested for a long period before being marketed and i know guys who have been running them for a year plus which to me says the dragofly is proven...I think the hawk has proved itself as long as you forget the dodgey grip and they expensive cartridges...if the hawk didnt have the grip problem(with cleaning and seizing)and the cartridges were cheaper it would be a great machine in my opinion! ive not heard of any problems at the motor end! But lets remember its not $600....I never once said the centri is a crap machine,just in my opinion if it was $500 it would be more of a option for guys who are thinking of trying one...theres alot of tasty great working rotarys out there for $400 or less and they will do the job asked of them....Hey once you guys have run your Centris for a year and alls been well i might buy one....I wasnt bitching...just giving my opinion...which is what i thought this forum was for?...
I also know the rapiers have proven themselves and are running strong after 2 years of inking.Quote:
Originally Posted by elbo
The machine itself will bring return clients... Come on... I remember Joe Capobianco saying at his seminar that he believes its the artist that does the tattoo and has the artistic skill and not so much the machine . You need reliable tools thats for sure but no machine will do the tattoo itself... There are way too many machines out there promising to better than the last all of a sudden it feels like a lot of people (unfortunately some not even related to the industry) want to sell you something you dont really need in the first place and make a couple of bucks in the tattooing industry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyberitual
No offense for the Centri just mho...