it may sound lame but im gonna treat me and my family to a nice sushi dinner if the Centri will ever make it in that damn Tag Cloud. For some reason that little box in the bottom right corner is haunting me...
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it may sound lame but im gonna treat me and my family to a nice sushi dinner if the Centri will ever make it in that damn Tag Cloud. For some reason that little box in the bottom right corner is haunting me...
lol you are right on that one elbo!
the rapiers do use very expensive motors and very high grade cnc machining and were actually tested by cary and his brother for a long time before being relesased -sure he updated them to rapier 2 and now a 3 is coming(to please people demanded more) out but you can pick up a rapier 1 and still work magic with it!
I think some builders just want to make a shit load of money off the (I want and must have the latest and greatest crowd of consumers,just like cell phone geeks!)people out there. I myshelf will only pay what i feel the product is worth regardess of how much money it will make me(when in fact it is me makeing the money not the machine,i can make used low doller coil machine work just as well.
I think the whole tag line builders use nowdays to sell there rotary machines is "look how much money it will make you"
Its funny because coil builders are made fun of when they take a frame and parts from other makers and just put it together and tune it.Yet most rotary builders do this to,do they machine the parts etc-no they just put them together. neo ,rapier, kubin and a few others actually do the work and these guys that are working the hardest are actualy offering the fairest prices across the board.
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Originally Posted by wildboy
What ive said all along...it wont make you a better tattooer....i say tattooer cos i will never call myself a artist and i agree with the opinions of so many tattooers who call themselves craftsmen...it is a craft...theres a craft to using a machine....Man you can be the best oil painter artist mutha in the world...grab a tattoo machine and it aint gonna work....i tried carsons machine for 6 months but still tattooed like me haha...ive learnt there are no machines that make you better...i just look for a machine that is hassle free and can last a few years...not 20 years like the coil(but what a great invention)and thats all ive said all along...i wish the centri well....
Hey slick many words of truth there....i know a few well known tattooers who were ...hmmmm lets say given their machines by certain rotary builders so they could build up the list of "look who uses them"...the thing is they dont use them now! probably cos they fell apart after 6 months..Quote:
Originally Posted by slicksteel
You will do...just give it time....Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyberitual
That marketing 101!, for sure I was going to college for product graphic design in the states and when I was told that I needed to believe in a bogus product and convince others that they need to have it or their lives will not be complete or they will not be as good as the next guy I told them to shove it an dropped that goal real fast.
Its funny I am no more happier now then I was 20 years ago when there was less tech all around and all I had to tattoo with was two old spauldings and a converted ham radio power supply.
All lines start some were...where you choose to stand is your choice.
Alll I got to say is the cream always rises to the top. The Stigmas were all the hype last year but I see most of us here on the forum do not prefer them. I spent 700 on my Fly and 600 on the Hyper and I still love my Rapiers and Neo Tats the best. It all comes down to preference. If your product is built solid it will find a home.
This thread has been really interesting to read but I feel I have to say something in defense of the small machine builder. The people that build machines usually do it because they are passionate about what they do, I know am. I have spoken to this builder and he is a genuine person that believes in his product and I met Gaston at the Tattoo Jam in were I showed him my machine, he gave me loads of advice for free so I can tell he a good person as well. We build these machines so you guys have an easier life tattooing if it was not for people pushing the envelope we would all still be using direct drive rotaries or coil machines. I know at the moment rotaries are the latest gadget so to speak, so some companies are just jumping on the band wangon and charging 500-600 dollars for something thats just a copy of someone elses idea. Some of the others genuinely do cost a lot to produce especially if they are made in small batches of 50-100 and use 5 axis CNC's to create the lovely shapes people expect and use swiss motors at 90 dollars each. So guys please slow down get some facts and when the machine is out there if its got some problems shout about it then. At least with us small builders changes and flaws can be addressed quickly unlike the bigger companies that are already committed.
That stupid thing haunts me too. Its never worked as it was supposed to since day one. It is supposed to start learning popular tags and populate its self. I have added centri and centri tattoo machine to tag this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyberitual
oh and don't get mad if you don't see it right away the tag cloud updates on its own on a schedule usually once a day.
Thanks admin, I'm not expecting it till it starts selling anyways, and I'm always mad lol I have two daughters and a 24 year old wife. It doesn't get any madder then that lol
"when in fact it is me makeing the money not the machine,I can make used low doller coil machine work just as well."...I see comments like this and I have to laugh! One better is when people say "if you gave Bob Tyrrell a crap machine he'll still manage to do a tattoo with it that will make your jaw drop"...bullshit! To say that there is no difference between a $650 Dragonfly (as an example people) and a $9.00 eBay special is a joke! There IS a difference, which is why most of us don't pick up those nine dollar machines. Thing is, you've NEVER seen Bob Tyrrell with a crap machine in his hand, and you never will. Why? Because tools DO make a difference, period! I'll grant you that the best machine in the world isn't going to turn a kitchen pro into the next Bob Tyrrell, but you can be sure that a crap machine could turn Bob's work into looking like it was done by some kitchen pro. Bottom line is that we ALL are always looking for something to build a better tattoo with, which is why most of us come to forums like this...with the exception of those of you that just flat out have no life and are looking for a buddy.
If you decide to buy a machine and don't like what you got, this forum has proven one thing. No matter how much you hate one machine as long as it runs there will be someone here who will like it much more then you did and offer you money or another machine in trade. I am in no way telling people to buy or what to buy, just remember one tattoer's trash may very well be another's treasure.
Regarding looking for friends on forums. I know many guys who still belong to automotive forums that have nothing to do with that they currently drive only because they feel they found their electronic man cave.
What I was trying to say is that you can take a "well made low end machine and tune it up etc and make it run well" I was not talking about a junk 10 doller machines that have mismatched coils ,crap springs etc. true a well made machine makes tattooing easier to perform.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inkslingers
Hats off to centri for bringing an original idea in to the world of tattooing!
and another hats off to all the builders on here for swimming upstream and the folks who's wallets keep their mills running.Quote:
Originally Posted by slicksteel
"well made low end machine"? Didn't know there was such an animal? But yeah, I get that you can tune one up for the better, but for the most part you can't polish a turd...and you're talking coil machines right? because with rotaries you pretty much get what you get. Sure, you can make parts, change this, change that, bla, bla, bla...one guy in here was talking about having bought a Chinese knock off and being able to turn it into a half decent running machine by doing a bunch of crap to it. That's all good if your looking for something to do and bored out of your mind, I'd rather buy something that runs like a beast right out of the box.Quote:
Originally Posted by slicksteel
I took a long time to read through here from the beginning today and this thread is a train wreck!
There are multiple discussions (some arguments) happening here with the majority having little to do with the actual product that was first mentioned here. I am going to close this for now as Cyberitual is still in the process of just getting pre orders and production done for this machine so it can legitimately be released, placed in the hands of those who want to use it and post reviews where you can then ask multiple people who paid for it if they think it was worth it. If you want to have arguments over whether something that is X amount of dollars is worth it vs. something that is less is you will never settle the argument. Its like an argument between a tattooer who uses coils only vs one that has exclusively switched to rotary or pneumatic its all in the hands of who is using it how they make it work for them.
I don't want this to turn in to an SEO nightmare for this site or for the Cenri machine. If you have issues with my actions please send me a PM I am happy to discuss this but please make sure you have read the entire thread before you do.