NEW SYMBEOS rotary tattoo system by HM/Eikon

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Originally Posted by ion

it's a gimmick. Most of the people will never need to use more than one motor. All these settings, numbers and values are just snake oil. Being able to choose one motor with a specific setting would be more appropriate and if someone wants 6-10 motors on a machine, that's fine too.
So far, there is no technical advancement, only consumerism.
What's new to this machine?
Nothing is new, you have a "lego" like device that implements the same principles already seen on so many machines before.
The news is that a company with lots of money will make even more money producing machines at an industrial scale.

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The underlying technical advancement is the fact that you can switch out individual parts to tailor it to your style of tattooing. If you buy a machine, don't like it, you gotta buy another one. What if you were asking yourself "if only I can change XXX on this machine than it may just work for me". What machine on the market gives you that option? At least the ability to get different parts to tailor it to your liking is new. I do agree that there is nothing new mechanically in principle. How do you know people will only need one motor? Have you tried all 3 motors? Weird that your first post to this forum is about bashing this machine. Can't knock it till you try it.

It really sucks that I cant buy the motor, pistons, cams and body I want. Yes its a nice system but I cant drop 700 to get one fully working machine and then drop another 700 to get another and have duplicates of stuff I will hardly if ever use.
I want a body, #5 motor, cushion sliders and th3 cams. I mean ill drop 550 for that, know8ng that I can pick a new set up next time.
I bought the whole system yesturday from an artist across the street and I really got spooked when the machine wouldnt start and after he fiddled with it I still backed out of the deal because I didnt want to get stuck with so much tech, because I new I wanted another body and would get stuck spending 700 more to get another whole set up.
When a pick a part option comes.. ill buy one ...

Dont take this the wrong way... the different speed and torque motor option is what I am looking for, perhaps that luxury only comes qith a 700 price tag.

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Originally Posted by peezie

The underlying technical advancement is the fact that you can switch out individual parts to tailor it to your style of tattooing. If you buy a machine, don't like it, you gotta buy another one. What if you were asking yourself "if only I can change XXX on this machine than it may just work for me". What machine on the market gives you that option? At least the ability to get different parts to tailor it to your liking is new. I do agree that there is nothing new mechanically in principle. How do you know people will only need one motor? Have you tried all 3 motors? Weird that your first post to this forum is about bashing this machine. Can't knock it till you try it.

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Probably you don't get my point. I'm not bashing anything. It's just my personal opinion about this new aspect of tattoo machine building. Even though it was my first post, I don't feel it was anything rude.

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Originally Posted by ion

Probably you don't get my point. I'm not bashing anything. It's just my personal opinion about this new aspect of tattoo machine building. Even though it was my first post, I don't feel it was anything rude.

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Apologies, I misunderstood what you were implying. Calling a new product a gimmick and the options it provides, snake oil, came off as bashing to me but I probably misunderstood. I still don't understand what your implying but I'm not bashing you either. Just my own personal opinion also so I apologize if you take my post the wrong way.

Ok, so when you buy a machine, you actually buy the machine that works closer to what the ideal machine should work for you. You get in this case all those components: 3 motors, slides, excenters. Most likely after combining all this stuff, you come up with the ideal machine. What are you going to do with the remaining stuff that most likely you'll never use again just because it's not good enough for you? If you need a liner or another same setup, you buy another system, and get another 2/3 stuff you'll never use.

lol relax bro. It's just a new machine. Vote with your wallet.

maybe people can start a parts exchange post on here for the parts they dont use.

I tried the boss' symbeos a few days ago. Very capable machine and the first rotary with give I have liked, usually prefer a direct solid hit. The only downside was the body is really long and the binders hold the clipcord up which made the machine quite back heavy and a little cumbersome. Managed to get some nice smooth grey with the short stroke settings though.

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Originally Posted by ion

Ok, so when you buy a machine, you actually buy the machine that works closer to what the ideal machine should work for you. You get in this case all those components: 3 motors, slides, excenters. Most likely after combining all this stuff, you come up with the ideal machine. What are you going to do with the remaining stuff that most likely you'll never use again just because it's not good enough for you? If you need a liner or another same setup, you buy another system, and get another 2/3 stuff you'll never use.

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That's what i'm saying... maybe they should introduce a one machine set up package.... 1 motor, 1 body, 1 slide style, 1 or 2 cams .... do that and the problem is fixed.

I would much rather spend 1100 dollars for two fully pimped out machines the way i want them, rather than 1400 for 2 entire packages full of duplicate tech.

That being said, I ran the blue cushion symbeos the other day #5 motor and loved the feel.. It is exactly what i want... The fact that it had a sputtering problem running really made me think there may be a few glitches to iron out since this is a newly launched machine and there is always room for improvement.

I am sure they play tested it and maybe it was nothing, but the fact that i had to ask the seller for my 600 dollars back from him really made me look like a asshole. The reason was I didn't want to get stuck selling one of my halos just to help buy the system (which I already did and didn't really want to) and having to sell the symbeos if it turned out to be problematic. I know he was pissed at me and I am sure the shit talking about me most likely ensued after i had to renig on the deal. And I don't blame them if they did since Juan Garcia is a master tattoo artist who has zero respect for me as an artist, even though I respect him a 100% as an artist and still to this day have remembered every little thing I learned from him, no matter how small, because everything he said all came true.

Anyways, maybe in the future Eikon and HM will listen to these issues.

Maybe they could hook up the forum with some custom orders?

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Originally Posted by crabink

That's what i'm saying... maybe they should introduce a one machine set up package.... 1 motor, 1 body, 1 slide style, 1 or 2 cams .... do that and the problem is fixed.

I would much rather spend 1100 dollars for two fully pimped out machines the way i want them, rather than 1400 for 2 entire packages full of duplicate tech.

That being said, I ran the blue cushion symbeos the other day #5 motor and loved the feel.. It is exactly what i want... The fact that it had a sputtering problem running really made me think there may be a few glitches to iron out since this is a newly launched machine and there is always room for improvement.

I am sure they play tested it and maybe it was nothing, but the fact that i had to ask the seller for my 600 dollars back from him really made me look like a asshole. The reason was I didn't want to get stuck selling one of my halos just to help buy the system (which I already did and didn't really want to) and having to sell the symbeos if it turned out to be problematic. I know he was pissed at me and I am sure the shit talking about me most likely ensued after i had to renig on the deal. And I don't blame them if they did since Juan Garcia is a master tattoo artist who has zero respect for me as an artist, even though I respect him a 100% as an artist and still to this day have remembered every little thing I learned from him, no matter how small, because everything he said all came true.

Anyways, maybe in the future Eikon and HM will listen to these issues.

Maybe they could hook up the forum with some custom orders?

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why would you want to overpay? 1100$? 915$ for deluxe system and a extra body will get you what you need bro. thats 2 full machines and extra parts for everything. Eikon site is setup funky but they do sell the body alone. you have to navigate to it through their menus. give me 1100$ and i'll order it for you haha. all cams all slides all motors and 2 bodies.No more excuses crab. Go get it!