having a play with making a machine and grip to fit ...hawk needles and t tech

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having a bit of a play with some old stuff at the shop ...i put a needle bar to see if it would work with the hawk needle cartridge ...so i have been messing around for a few weeks with this idea now and most of all the bits i made 10 year ago work with this idea ..so it got me thinking everyone is using the t tech and hawk needles so i think i might have a go and make a machine and a grip set to fit the needles ...my style i.m thinking going all out as well and using maxon motors ....what do you all think ../????

I want to try !!!!

Just to get an image in my head, would you be converting the orbital motion of the motor to linear...Or driving the needle bar/plunger off of a cam ?...

Look at what Inkjecta are using on their Flite 2 quite a clever idea but not a new one. Ronnie Star did something similar in the 70's on a normal needle bar.

dont know yet paul still having a play ..these are just bit ihave in a box ..will have a look at inkjet ....just an idea is all might be nothing ..we don't try we dont know

yea they nice good old curtain wire ...yea not looking to do that with mine and i want it take normal grips simple is me .....

Snap! I am working on and articulated Drive Bar as we speak.
Looking good Dale.

wicked do love new stuff

awesome, I love this direction. cant wait to see the development of all this, from rotary works and fki! I feel tattooing is at a technological apex and its because of builders like you guys being in a constant state of evolution with your builds! keep it coming, makes me rub my hands together like birdman, lol

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Originally Posted by cagelavey

makes me rub my hands together like birdman, lol

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Hahahahahaha, I can picture that LOL.

Just to throw my hat in the ring, I am also working on similar system plus the new MR03 will be out in a few weeks after final testing.

that's cool I was always intrigued by the mr03. definitely saw its potential. cant wait to see the improvements.

will you guys, all be focusing on the option of give in the bar like the earlier post by rw, or will the designs be more no give like the thunder. I for one love the option of give on a machine if done well

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Originally Posted by Nedz

Just to throw my hat in the ring, I am also working on similar system plus the new MR03 will be out in a few weeks after final testing.

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I'm sure you are.

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Originally Posted by fkirons

I'm sure you are.

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Better keep your ideas under wraps then.

To bring this back on track... I very much look forward to this. I'm sure a rotary works cart system will be a great machine!

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Originally Posted by Nedz

Better keep your ideas under wraps then.

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I'd say instead: builders better have a bit of integrity.

Attachment 22029Attachment 22030Attachment 22031ok so here is where i have got to so far simple cheap and quality ..and a maxon motor .......cant show you the grip thats a prototype shhhhhhhh secrets ........let me know what you think ....yes it can alll be made so the grip sits lower off the hand ..still playing prototype 1 enjoys ..

Purely an observation. I like the thinner brass for the back plate. I imagine it retains it's rigidity very well. I would also assume it cuts a lot of weight. As does the smaller Maxon motor. I would enjoy seeing a variation of your new springer with a small body like this. I think whatever you make it will be a quality machine. Best of luck Dale, an keep us posted.

I wasn't keen with lining with t-tech or cheyanne carts, imo they were really, really good for colour work..My first impression is, I think a cam driven "plunger" has advantages and disadvantages...

Advantages...May help create a "trebori" effect when using magnum carts for colour work...By that I mean it will help work the ink into the skin as opposed to driving it in,, People who run DDO's will know what I mean..

Disadvantages...Possibly too much vibration when lining, and, depending on length of the needle bar "plunger" the orbital action could lead to issues with the inbuilt cart spring...The longer the bar, the less stress on the cart "plunger".

HOWEVER, nothing ventured, nothing gained....I am positive you have thought all this through Dale, so, it will rock.......:D

Attachment 22051Attachment 22052Attachment 22053idea 2 this is better no vibration and runs smooth ...just remember its a prototype ...what you think .............i like how rough it looks but will tart it up a bit nice screws a nice wrap on the motor cartridge machine almost there ..going stick with maxon motor as well fits nice ..

doesnt work.. i think its the file from your computer rather than a link

can u see it now ??

/Users/tattoo140/Desktop/IMG_1294.MOV

yep yep, just came up :) looks great!

Attachment 22069Attachment 22070Attachment 22071Attachment 22072ok still playing around ...this is my old rotary i made back in 1998 i used every day loved this machine ...and now look i can use cartridge with it whoop whoop .......and pic 4 no its not a needle runner it a guide for the needle bar alot of you may not of seen these but whaen i started thats how it was done no loop on needle bar just a back stem with plastic insert in it or s steel solid back stem with hole drilled through but s steel rubbing against each other not good ......the things i used to use then how i have learnt so many things ...good times and good fun ....dont miss making needle though .....well there it is another simple idea ....

I saw a whole bunch of these ( looks like these ) machines in eBay.co.uk for about 60€ a piece. Did you make those too, Dale?

http://bit.ly/GLt1K7

eBay link.

Hi there one thing I don't do sell on ebay I'm in Surrey .. I have seen them I think they are Ronny star machines .. Not me no no no got love flea bay

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Hi there one thing I don't do sell on ebay I'm in Surrey .. I have seen them I think they are Ronny star machines .. Not me no no no got love flea bay

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I had dismissed them as something I wouldn't wanna mess with. However if you had been the builder I might have grabbed one. I don't sell on eBay either, however I am a causal shopper.

ebay needs to shut this shit down, it just seems like it should be considered what it is, theft, intellectual theft. no reason why they should be able to get away with marketing someone elses designs. they do the same thing with shoes, clothes, everything. knock off central. if only there were a way to petition ebay, with a few thousand signatures and let them know what they are party to. its disgusting.

Honesty you could say tattoo supplie company's are like ebay ripping us all of know nothing about what we do just sell anything to anyone .. At silly prices .. I have been sourcing my own stuff of late .. Disposable grips I buy direct now no vat no shipping and a third of the price .. Plus why buy from them when u can get it direct it's where they getting them from .. I many my own clip cords for us at the shop now as well and foot pedals clip cored bags I buy on a roll now .. Colour and needles I buy from suppliers but can't odds that .. All makes a big difference ..

I know this has all cascaded well off topic.

When do we get to see the grip? What makes it so secret?

id like to know when the grip will be available, is it possible that it is ss? is that something you might be able to tell us? if you cant that's understandable also. i love all the knew grips coming out! cant wait until, all the knew grip designers, FKI, Bishop, RW, etc. start their hands at cartridges also! it would be awesome to have a variety of AFORDABLE carts from awesome builders like these guys.

mine not a big secret at all just covered it up is all but i hope to have some to show this week ...as usual i want to make this as cheap as possible so thinking on a set of 5 grips for around £100 shipped may be there or there about ish ....there is something else i,m doing as well a simple idea to fit any machine now thats a secret .......i hope to get that this week as well .......and should have a finished product of the machine as well this week ...just to add that will be a machine to use with catridges and will take the hawk adjustable grip as well with a maxon motor for under £150 shipped and pos a grip with it as well .....the grips will be made out of s steel aluminium and plastic high grade ....its going be an exiting week me thinks

If i understand it right the grips are adjustable like the hawk ????

the ones i,m doing no they not ( YET )..........but the hawk adjustable gip will fit my machine ....

Ahhhh,o.k ! Thank you mate !

that's exciting, thank you so much for the price consideration, that's awesome bro. mad respect.

DhAttachment 22106Attachment 22106Attachment 22105Attachment 22105Ok I thought I was the only one to design this but I was told I wasn't.. but as it's just a prototype I put some pics up .. Doubts I make it now .. This is aluminium .. That's my new black aluminium ultimate spring as well lol..