Sneak peak of our upcoming Valor Rotary Machine (coming soon early 2014). - 5 AXIS CNC'd body with other innovative features - made in the USA. =)
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Sneak peak of our upcoming Valor Rotary Machine (coming soon early 2014). - 5 AXIS CNC'd body with other innovative features - made in the USA. =)
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Very cool looking machine, how about some specs on the motor and stroke lengths.
whats a round about price on these? give? no give? those are three things i'd love to know! lol
looks beautiful so far...
I'd like to know what's new or groundbreaking about this? It looks similar to a diablo rotary
now thats a slick piece of work :)
Definitely uses a few systems that no other rotary utilizes. The manufacturing process is also very different. We've purposely hid all the new innovations in the sneak pics. We plan to unveil the site some time next week - the two patents were just officially submitted so we're almost there! 2 years in the making and will be unveiled very soon.
-Billy
:) ooooh its like the revealing of the wolrlds only virgins, as we wait in anticipation ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TATsoul
So does this machine run with a magnet system?
I saw John Clark wasn't too happy about this
John ain't happy because people are pumping him wrong info. John got the impression that permanent magnets are being used to drive the needle where as the valor just uses magnets as a return spring instead of a compression spring. People starting drama over nothing. Check out their videos on Youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPBHBRL6Zxc
any idea of pricing yet? ya know,so some of us can start planning.haha
Impressive. There's obviously been a lot of time and money invested in it's development.
To me, this seems a lot like a NeoTat Vivcace in an angular package with a magnet return and needle tensioner. I wonder if it was co-produced with NeoTat. The removable motor seems a lot like the one in the Vivace.
It's just thieving ideas from every company. Pisses me off to even own Tat Soul chairs now.
Come on now Heath. Is there such a thing as "original" now a days or do we all just improve on existing ideas and designs till it's homogenized enough to be universal. All coil machines work the same way, and for that matter have to follow a certain geometry to run correctly. Every time a machine comes out there are always going to be some things that look like or are designed like some other machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heath
Would you get all mad at a machine builder because a spring shelf is just as big and placed the same as another builders machine. Probably not. When we talk about coil machines, we always talk about the "quality of build" should that not be the same with rotary machines.
So they are all looking to be the same here or there, but the quality of build should matter, not how it looks like some other machine. Because in all honesty after a while they all look the same.
i think the MAGNET for push up the needles just add weight on the machine, a simple SPRING make the same basicly
but sure is a new idea
well i will be giving a full review on this machine with in the week im hoping, yes it does have similarities yet the function seems to be by far diff... i think its a really sleek looking machine. looking forward to getting this and doin some work with it.
after looking at the videos, i am very very impressed. this machine looks like a million bucks and packed with innovations. though the drive is a slide style which is used by many rotary machines, this one looks like it is improved and or has added unique features. repulsing magnets and the simplified needle stabilizers is genius! i also noticed the needle tensioner mechanism is on the vice and not on the body! smart!
Very nice machine ran it today at the Philly convention but the reps there where either clueless or thought i was some scratcher lol. Right away it feels like a tc to me or I'm just wanting a tc at the moment a coil probably feels like a tc to me lol. Someone sell me a tc for $130 please! 😇
did they say how much it was or how much it was going to b e_bangs?
$400 there but I think it's $450 regularly
thats not bad. cool.thanks
Price will be $499 for a full setup (our cost on producing the body alone is very high as you can tell). European prices will be a little bit more due to customs/duties but won't be far off from this price point. I apologize in advance if any pricing information was not given properly by our rep at the recent Philly show. Because it is so new and not officially released, there may have been some confusion. It will all be clear when the machine is officially launched. I will be making an additional post in the next hour or so to give you guys more details on this machine. Thank you for all that are interested.
-Billy
Hey Guys, let me clarify a few points moving forward on this machine. This project has been a labor of love, headaches, sweat, and tears -truly a little over 2 years in the making to get it right for final production.
BODY - Precision CNC'd body, made from aircraft grade 6061 Aluminum. We went through 30 machinists to finally find one that would manufacture this complicated body. We went through 20 body iterations to get the perfect weight and mass. The final product is a body that has minimized vibration and will take rubber bands for those that do not want to use the needle stabilizer. We also used slow wire EDM process on the slider channel to give the machine the tightest tolerance. Yes, it is a slide machine and credit goes to Ray Webb for making the original slide machine. However, there are tons of other well respected machines that utilize this form factor (Bishops, Blitz, Ray's Neotat, HM, etc). We have been very respectful to other machine builders to make something unique.
Patent pending Stamped Spring NEEDLE STABILIZER - Upon closer inspection, you will notice that it is a 3 piece stabilizer unlike the other 7-8 piece stabilizers out in the market. We spent a lot of time developing this spring and ran computer simulations to make sure it will hold up for years of heavy usage. The final product uses less parts and allows you to completely remove it if you want by just unscrewing it. This stabilizer's spring body gives it a bit more give compared to traditional stabilizers, so it has more of a rubber band feel without using rubber bands.
Patent pending MAGNET REPULSION system- The magnet is not driving the slide in any way. It is used as a place holder for both dampening and stay-up spring. We tested dozens of magnets to find the right force that allows this machine to run buttery. It is a hollow magnet so it barely adds any weight as suggested above from previous poster. The magnet can also be easily be removed with the Valor key for uninhibited power for cartridge systems.
With all due respect to John Clark (he makes amazing machines), as @Peezie said, we are not using the magnets to drive the needle. It is used as a dampening mechanism and replacement for the spring system. The magnet concept was put in place even before he published his magnet driven machine. When he announced his magnetic rotary machine, we were worried it was going to use our concept but was relieved to see his magnet was used for a completely different application. We have respect for all builders in the industry and make an effort not to blatantly rip anyone's ideas with or without patents.
Small Powerful MOTOR - We use a fast and high torque 17mm Maxon for direct slide whereas other direct slide systems are typically using Mabuchi or 22mm Maxon motors. The result is a small lightweight machine with lots of power, speed, and torque. We are also working directly with Maxon on coming out with some custom motors in the future. Specs that have never been manufactured before.
I hope these straight forward answers will address everything. Further details can be seen at www.valorrotary.com. The full site with details will be launched by end of the week.
I would also like to add for the early adopters that if this machine is not on your top drawer, we will back it up with a 100% money back guarantee (yes, the cheesy sales pitch) but that's how confident we are in this machine.
Thank you,
Billy
TATSoul
will u guys be at the iowa convention? will u b selling the machine? n will it b cheaper for the convention?thanks
@eric03, we will not be at that convention. If you are located in LA, you can drop by the Baldwin Park address and I would be glad to personally walk you through a live working machine here. We are right now discussing a limited time discount for all forum members. Will keep you posted when the machines are ready. We are looking at a full release within 2 weeks.
Thanks,
Billy
Attached are final photos of the Valor.
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thats awesome @TATsoul. i might take u up on that offer. i miss the days when builders went shop to shop to show their machines off. u can meet the builder n see the machine in person before u bought it. the days of the traveling machine salesman is long gone i know n might have been something i was fortunate to experience when i started, prob bc it was before the internet is what it is today. so that would b real cool to visit. as for the machine price, ur pricing is def reasonable. i was a lil concerned that it would b reaching a higher ceiling.glad it didn't. a forum discount would b great n very appreciated though.i was just asking bc who doesn't like a deal?lol. we all know conventions are usually full of them.haha.so thanks.
@peezie, Thanks for clarifying this! I have reached out to one of John's concerned friends and he now understands the concept and is contacting John regarding this. He said that he'll be very happy with the news and stated that it is not like his system at all. Now that the small drama is cleared up, we can move forward with focusing on the Valor!Quote:
Originally Posted by peezie
@eric03, feel free to contact me direct [email protected] whenever you want to drop by!
-Billy
just sent u an email billy.
Already contacted him and he is in agreement that it is nothing like his design as he has stated publicly on his facebook page.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATsoul
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And your welcome brotha, I don't like misinformation either. Looks like you've built a solid product. I wish I had a 5 axis machine.