new machine!
-http://lacenano.com/
looks to be a magnetic one.
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new machine!
-http://lacenano.com/
looks to be a magnetic one.
Looks cool for being the "lightest gun" on the market. lol just had too. but looks cool really.
Looks like Mr Clark has something to be upset about. It's one thing to do an opposed magnetic machine, it's another to copy the entire system. I think it is too close. Look cool but not original
Yea reminds me of the magnetic one i saw, No description though if its like that.
Not sure what to think about that one atm...
i would buy a clark but the weight is heavy ...thats very light -but i can not say how its possible to get it with a small motor magnetic. Clark tell my he have to use a very strong motor.
It pretty much is John Clark's design no doubt. Whoever thought this up has probably never built a tattoo machine before. No room for the rubber band and no room for a retainer as there is no clearance. Does the tube get glued into place before every tattoo? Looks like it's using a brushless dc motor which requires a esc between the machine and power supply. Another thing that leads me to believe that this is a brushless dc motor driven machine(besides the fact that the picture is of a brushless dc motor) is the 3.5mm input as that is the only way to connect 3 wires. Obviously this person has not built this machine yet and will learn the hard way once he does. I'm basing my comments off the pictures as if it were an actual representation of the final machine. Whoever designed the machine needs to go back to the drawing board. Cool cad though.
Also should go back to the drawing board and come up with his own idea haha. If it ever gets made, I'm sure it'll sell well. Out of respect for John though, I wouldn't give it a try as it is too similar to his system.
Almost a head on view here
autoclavable motor ?? Really ?
I don't see no space to put any rubber bands (yeah double negation i m super cool, I m malcolm reynolds). It looks like the plug will be in the way of the hand
This is some bullshit john Clark is the man! I have a few of his mags and their super light and run great
super light , my clark have around 7 oz ...?
Are yours aluminum frame?
that is a MAGNETIC concept like CLARK, so the needles gonna stop always outside the tubes, becouse the MAGNET attract the armature bar, i don think is a good idea
but this machine look awesome, sure
have FB page also, but no REAL PIC of the machine, only this 3D design.....
no ,my is a steelframe ...how much weight yours ? i think its works very well like my coils :)
so i look to get a alu one.
Mine is maybe 6 oz or less
well I see in a rotary group on FB john made a post about this machine..not happy I see
Wanna share it with us here. I don't use Facebook much and have not joined any groups there, but I would appreciate hearing what John has to say about this machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by gangstajay
They have applied for access to the site. Out of fairness to them and to John I messaged john to give him a heads up. I wont get into the specifics of our conversation but I will let you all share your own opinions on this new machine and the politics involved.
John is aware and on it.
wanna know what i have discovered? that everything is inspired by something else, whether it be a new concept or creating your own version of something you see. is the tattoo machine world any different?a very smallllllll percentage of people are capable of thought that is unique. the rest are trapped in the confines of society and follow.
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Originally Posted by brandonmull
We we seem to forget in our world of internet travel that "new ideas" are common among a lot of different people. What one persons "creates" here in America another person is "creating" the same but different designs. Currently there are about 7 billion people on this planet. To think that only one person has come up with something new is silly and short sighted to say the least. What we are all doing is just expanding and adding to different ideas that have been around in one way or another for quite some time now. Case in point, is that I have been using RCA jacks on my machines since the early 90s but now it is all the rage. Should I as a tattoo artist say every one is now copying off me and that they should find their own ideas. Do most of you even know where the whole binding post aspect of tattoo machines came from originally? Why the holes were there for the clip cord. Originally there were screws in the bottom of them that would tighten to hold a wire in the hole. Then some one made a clip cord and every one followed because it was a good idea.
our world of tattooing is evolving by leaps and bounds, yet we some how find the time to point out what others are doing to "copy" our industry. We are stifling our own progress when we do that. I respect Mr. Clark for what he does, don't get me wrong his machines are awesome. But.... If some one takes a design element of his and some how makes it better what is wrong with that. Every industry has done it, and will continue to do it.
The one thing that has always been wrong with tattooing is our attitudes toward other builders and artists. I think secretly we are all jealous, or bitter that we did not "come up with that". We need to celebrate all of each other just a little bit more, and not run and tell "mommy" every time we may feel a little slighted by some one or something. Sure there will always be those that blatantly rip off a whole idea as we have seen with some of the more unscrupulous suppliers. So we learn not to buy from them.
No one person has come up with a bullet proof solid idea that is original in any way to put ink in the skin. We have all just improved how we do it and improved the tools we use.
Carry on.
I totally agree man! just as long as its not a blatant ripoff, i agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wonderland
so now its comin in real ... some new pics and videos with real running Machines - the pre-order is now coming in the next month.
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https://www.lacenano.com/rotary-tatt...e-gallery/#vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=K7eLchD32Qw
Oo that's sexy sorry but it is
i think the same - and so small
I was talking to john Clark and he is not happy about this one. But I do like the look of this style of machine.
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yes i knowing but i think its a true innovation - the motor have 40w power and it weight only 48gram !!! and really small -not only a plump copy ,they have to a lot on it and the project is now over 2 years to get it ready. Its the same idea but they do a own way to get it working.
It is no different than the thousands of coil machine builders. Who is borrowing from who?
nice machine 45g is really light and it can be autoclave, is the future
I wonder if their power supply is any different from a standard power supply to accommodate the wattage on the motor...cool looking machine, but having to get a separate power unit makes me less excited.
i accepted to b a part of the pre order list but after emailing him, he said that the machine only works with their power unit. that to me is gonna b a tough sell. i like the machine n the concept but i don't wanna have a separate power unit just to use a machine. so, i don't think i will b getting one unless that changes.
I was also concerned about repeated heating of any magnetic components in an autoclave. IIRC magnets can be slowly de-gaussed (edit. de-magnetized) by repeated heating.
i have talk with lacenano and the tell me you need a special powersupply to get it running because the esc - but every is getting one include with the price and machine ....
I am not a builder, sorry if what I'm going to say sounds stupid, but... Like when I saw the Mr. Clark's prototype... Why a side axis arm and not a vertical axis? Of course the circular play won't be too much but at the end it has a circular motion (hope you can understand me, sorry about my English)
The second thing I can see is the rubber band placement... Is it really doing something placed so high on the needlebar? I think it might be placed lower to really do something, but maybe it's just my thoughts...
And finally... In my very short experience with rotaries I think that too light weight = vibrations. But maybe I'm wrong, just my opinion