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I wanna hear a review on this over dramatized, debated, mudslinging, name calling, feeling hurting piece of machinery!! Seen they shipped all their orders out and people started receiving them so surely someone on here has one or has one coming so don't be scared...Post your review!! I'm pretty darn curious as I'm thinking it's either going to be really really good or its going to be really really bad.
Noone?? I took the plunge, machine should be here Friday or Monday. Been seeing a few guys posting some pretty killer work done with them so all drama and bashing aside I'm curious as hell to give this thing a go. I've owned several high end rotaries (Swiss, Bishop, Spektra Halo, Swashdrive Whip and Gen 8, Kubins, HM) so I'm curious how this thing stacks up. I will post a review once I get some time with it if anyone is interested in hearing it.
lol ive been watching this thread nothing but crickets. I am curious to see how it performs thanks for posting
Hahahah I'll be the whipping boy I guess. Been talking back and forth with a guy from Germany that posted some of his work to their facebook page and so far he had nothing but good things to say about it so I'm pumped to try it out for myself. If this thing performs like it's supposed to and I don't have to take my gloves off to make adjustments to it or worry about where I put it down at or contaminate it in general b/c you can throw it in the autoclave when you're done then holy shit pickles. I even messaged them just to confirm "can I really just throw this thing in the autoclave" and they insisted it will withstand it and they have machines that have just been continuously autoclaved and after 200+ runs through it didn't miss a beat so we'll see. The more I've been looking into this thing the more my Swashdrives are starting to look like dinosaurs haha. Hope it lives up to the hype b/c I was extremely hesitant on buying it. This is what I do for a living day in and day out and what supports my family so anything that's going to make my job easier or have the possibility of producing better results I'm going to at least try it.
Why dont you just buy one of John Clarks and be done with it?
Nothing about heavy machines appeal to me. I rode motocross for close to 20 years so my wrists have taken some serious abuse. The fact that the needle always stops hanging out of the tube is a huge deal breaker. I feel we deal with enough hazards on a day to day basis. There are people walking around and in and out of our shops who have Hep, HIV, and all other kinds of nasty shit and either don't know it yet or are too embarrassed to say anything. The last thing I want to worry about is going to reach for something on my work station and getting a needle stick injury due to something like that. No thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyberitual
Attachment 28789 under 3.5 by the original maker. Needle stops up, looks better but you go ahead and buy that other crap!
You're doing some serious nut hanging bud. 2007-2010 I pioneered the idea of full graphic vinyl skins for guitars so if someone wanted to change the finish of their guitar they could buy a skin custom made for it and it looked every bit as good as a professional airbrush job and for under $100.00. I took out a business loan, purchased the best printer and laminator I could afford and literally poured my heart and soul into this project for years, perfecting it the best I could. I sponsored bands, visited countless music stores, internet advertising, website, etc. I've made skins for the Rockstar Energy Mayhem Festival for several years for Ibanez. Back when I started this there was NOONE offering anything even remotely close, nothing on the internet, nowhere. I sold a lot through eBay and here and there from my website. Low and behold people with a lot more money, backing and support came along and seen potential in my product and copied it right down to my very detailed application instructions. I was pissed, sure, but that's how the world works. Now you google guitar skins and there's a shit ton of companies that produce them now. I know exactly what this feels like but when it comes down to it, I didn't have the financial means to exploit what I was doing nor did I have the man power to fill huge orders so larger companies took my idea, printed them on better, faster printers and laminators and are making a shit ton of money off of what I started. It literally put me out of business b/c I couldn't compete. I didn't jump on social media calling these companies scum bags or make spoof pages of their stuff b/c that's not how a business owner should publicly be conducting themselves and once that shit's online you can't get rid of it. This Lace company is making a lot of claims on this machine being autoclavable, brushless motor, zero maintenance, etc. These are all excellent ideas are they not?? Maybe this thing will end up being a complete turd, won't know till I try it, but this should motivate other builders to the improve on what they're doing over there. I remember late 90's/early 2000's the American bicycle company Cannondale was working on motocross bikes and quads to compete with the Japanese and European models and instead of copying what they were all doing they totally reinvented the wheel. First time a motocross machine seen fuel injection, a reverse cyclinder head and many other "firsts". Well they released the machines and they were complete garbage and unreliable and soon closed their motorsports division. The Japanese and European companies then took their good ideas and actually made them work and hold up so now just about every motocross bike is fuel injected and the Yamahas have the reverse cylinder head. Cannondale didn't go up in arms claiming all this was their idea and bash all these other companies...This whole thing is just silly and for people to completely disregard a machine that potentially will make their job easier b/c people are being babies is absolute nonsense. One of my guitar skins before guitar skins existed anywhere else.Attachment 28794
Yamaha and Kawasaki 450 motors. Yamaha came out with the first four stroke motocross bike, do you think Kawasaki took anything from Yamaha's engine design?? I didn't think it was a mystery that manufacturers do this shit.
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man, 4 stroke engine is like that, u cannot change nothing, is this, any brands u take
For having bad hands you can type alot... the only reason somebody copied you is because there are a lot of people like you, ones who pay less, who don't care, who don't support the the inventor but rather tail the pirates for scraps. My balls hang just right...
That's because I have a lot to say to closed-minded people like you. The only reason someone copied me is b/c they seen I had a good, unprotected idea and had the means and finances to exploit it and produce it faster and in more quantities than I could. I was a one man show. That's freaking business, man. It's absolutely inevitable if someone comes up with a great idea someone else it going to dissect it and figure out how to make it better. Would Clarks magnetic rotary have been reworked so that the needle stops in the upward position if it wasn't for these Lacenano guys making that change?? Why did he make that change all of the sudden?? Because it's a good idea and his design was improved upon. That's all I have to say to you. I started this thread trying to get a review on a new machine, not bicker back and forth on the internet. To the guys on here looking for a review on this thing I just got it in two hours ago. When I get to put some time on it (probably going to wait and do a piece on a good friend of mine to try it out) I'll post my thoughts on it. I'm not supporting anything, if it sucks I'm going to tell ya it sucks but so far I'm pretty impressed right out of the box.Quote:
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this debate can go with any single device used at any point in time during the day.
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i like your
balls mike lol
Got to do a little playing around with the machine last night. There is a little bit of a learning curve to it but once your adjust it to your liking it runs extremely smooth and quite. Did some color blending and it performed just a smoothly as my Gen 8 except it literally feels like you're holding a pencil. I'm digging the power supply, it's about the size of a pack of cigarettes and it feeds the machine smoothly and consitently. I found my sweet spot on it and didn't have to touch it the rest of the tattoo. No noticeable vibration at the speed I was running it at for color blending (didn't get to line with it yet) but the only time I feel vibration from the machine is it's turned way up and adjusted to where it's hitting it's hardest. Didn't get a whole lot of time on it yet but so far so good. Being able to adjust stroke and hit on they fly during a tattoo is pretty freaking awesome. So far I'm really impressed with it. Will report more as I get to do some lining and black and gray pieces with it.
Got to work with the Lace some more today. This thing is awesome, I'm sold on it. It is a good feeling to be tattooing and be able to just adjust the machine to what you want it to do and not have to worrying about stopping to unglove or try to use paper towels as barriers b/c it's getting cleaned up afterwards and into the autoclave. Got one run through the autoclave today (nervous and shit doing so) but after she was dry and cooled down it ran like a top for my next session. It lines great, it blends color great, it does black and gray great (haven't done much color packing with it yet but I don't see that being an issue). Did I mention I autoclaved a f$*king tattoo machine and it still works!? Initial review, I love it and am going to get another one. I really hope that it holds up long term but time will tell what the reliability is.
How is that vice working and lining up with the tube.It looks way different then standard frame geo that lines up with standard bars and tubes..can you post a pick of it setup. Does this machine fill strong and well built are flimsy?
i'm the proud owner of the FK Edge. how come no one calls out Gaston for essentially remaking a Cheyenne Thunder? i'l tell you why... He made it better.. Its the next step on a proven design? I can't see where the difference is in the situation.
I'm not taking sides... i'm just saying stuff evolve.
i for one probably won't buy a Lace Nano, probably won't buy a one of Mr. Clark's machines. but i do enjoy reading reviews on the machines , i'd like to actually hear about both machines in better detail.
So far the vice works great. Haven't had any issues with the tube moving. The quality is definitely there, everything is smooth and feels pretty solid from what I can tell. It fires up after being ran through an autoclave...my Swashdrives won't do that lol. You're absolutely right David, everyone on here that uses T-Tech cartridges or any other Cheyenne tattoo cartridge rip off should be ashamed of themselves and are butt pirates settling for scraps from the true innovators...or something along those lines.
It doesn't matter if it runs great or runs shitty, anyone can build a machine or steal a machine and alter it or whatever, what bothers me in this industry just gets more ghetto everyday, by every penny that goes into the pirated or stolen products and ideas that are started by true industry workers. These people still insist on buying there shit, there crappy products from china or any other fake or remade or remodeled products. You show the industry your morals and your lack of concern for those who made this industry or keep it moving forward, you disrespect everyone of them... say what you want about yayaya everyone does... that makes it a GHETTO! I remember pnuema hyped the autoclave thing... huh. Anyways...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpj734Bqn9U
Are those T-techs that you're promoting to work with your machine? Aren't T-techs a cheaper, made it China, remodeled version of the Cheyenne tattoo cartridge? Why don't you advertise that your machines are only compatible with genuine Cheyenne tattoo cartridges instead of showing that the T-techs fit and run nicely in them as well?? Please explain.
Because he can tattoo circles around most of us here, has tattoos, owns a tattoo studio and is a genuine guy. Can't say ANYTHING of the sort about the toolbags who copied John Clark NOR Cheyenne. I'm not racist so don't pull that card, but the guys at the Cheyenne booth couldn't even speak ENGLISH and had no tattoos. That's how much they care about tattooing. The Lace Nano guys are both two scrawny pansies with no tattoos, they own no studio, they know NOTHING about tattooing and they re-market John Clark's design down to everything. Don't compare Gaston to the Lace Nano morons.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidEngbaek
Yep its a t tech and a cheyenne , both carts are samples givin to me from them along side a bunch a shitty ass Chinese sample needles i get in the mail each month for free. They make great pokers for my pipe... Post some pics of your tattoo you did with your new machine!!!
Ya wanna see a half done tattoo pic? I worked on some sleeve fill in, a redo from another studio and started into this motorcycle pinup.
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Got to do some black fill and line work with the machine today on this Polynesian king cobra piece. I've found a gripe with the machine I don't care for that I noticed today. The rubber band being so high up on the needle I'm not a fan of and you have to mess around with the number of bands you use so the needle doesn't rattle at lining speed, seems a little finicky to get right, more so than machines that you can mount the bands a little further down on the needle. I think some sort of needle bar tensioner should be in order maybe for the next generation of these. After I got the tension right it was smooth sailing and machine was consistent for the duration of the piece.
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All I can add is john has been around a long time and when my machines breaks down he fixes it.. I can't support a company that has nothing to do
With tattooing besides profit and greed.. I guess your ok with scratchers too then? Because they do the same thing for this industry that this company does.. Feed the greed homie..
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Greed also comes from every artist that feels they constantly need an apprentice to narrow the field for all artists. Finish one apprentice, start another like a chain smoker. This is Tulsa and its insane.
How do you know they aren't going to fix problems when/if they arise? I haven't heard of any of these failing yet. Have nothing to do with tattooing?? They brought an autoclavable machine to the table, one that actually works. How is that not upping the ante? How can anyone even argue that? I haveWho the fuck said anything about scratchers? You're comparing people that disregard other peoples health and safety by using dirty, unsterile equipment, to a company that put the time and effort into making a tattoo machine autoclavable to reduce the transmission of bio-filth from one client to the next?? Really dude?? That's a really stupid comparison....Ok, I can't even wrap my head around how stupid of a comparison that was hahaha, did you think that out? Don't you have some Bishop RCA cords to go burn up or something dude? Ok, I gave the machine a fair, honest review b/c I know there's a lot of guys on here that don't have the mentality of 10 year olds and like to hear machine reviews b/c they're all about making their jobs easier and using or finding tools that work or might work better for them. Review is done, I stated what I like and what I didn't like about the machine. Thumbs up from me and I'll be getting another one.Quote:
Originally Posted by artoftatt2
Pneuma had the autoclavable machine on the table first. Required special items to run it, just like this type of machine... they are not gods they are two kids who have no idea what they did by doing what they did and now I'm sure they know how it works around here and maybe they might age a few more years, wise up and "invent" something not polish stuff already in the market. Your support for them knowing the situation, we'll that's why things are they way they are...
Ford, Chevy, gmc, dodge, ford , alpha Romeo, VW, what do you drive???????? I mean really , this is the real point, what car do you drive, what shampoo? What toothbrush? Do you walk? Ride a bike? A motor? Drive a truck? A car? A van? Who invented it first? Well screw you if you didn't buy it from them..... END OF DISCUSSION. Period.
Not to really keep your guys debate going, but the argument that supporting these kids ripped off design is okay because other industries do it and get away with it is a little silly. The tattoo industry has always been pretty insular, less so since the advent of all the tv shows, but the industry has pretty much been based on reputation and respect. There are always bad apples, but everyone knows who they are and word gets around. The backlash against people outside the industry ripping off someone in the industries designs shouldn't be surprising to anyone. Tattooing is still a relatively small industry, though it's getting bigger by the second, but while its smaller we (as tattooers) still have a small amount of control to shape the direction we'd like our industry to go. Do you really want this industry to go the way of the rest of this bullshit underhanded corporate world? If you apply that attitude to the rest of your life you just get a selfish amoral world. I for one really would not like tattooing to end up that way. But have fun with your new machine.
thank you, some of us still have morals.
i dont need to keep debating this, i dont sell to people who dont support the trade and try to stop commercializing of it. no one ever ask me to make one clavable so i didnt, i bag my machines and always have, but i can make mine clavable with just one mod so there
Nah... bag it, madacide it, keep those magnets away from the autoclave. Shit don't even keep the magnets in your car all day lol. High temps just weaken there strength little by little, you won't notice it right away, but there info on 200 passes so far with zero effect is bullshit data because I have tested it myself with those same exact magnets. Just wash it under the sink... moisture seems to be ok obviously if your using the autoclave correctly.
If you wanna get mouthy butternuts then so be it.. I'll see you in person one day..
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I wondered that about the magnets myself but I'm going to continue to test the machine and see for myself if it continually holds up being autoclaved and if it doesn't I'll be saying it doesn't. Do you know roughly how many times through the autoclave you ran your magnets before you noticed degaussing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyberitual
Oh man!!!!!!!!!! We have an internet tough guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get out of here with that bullshit. Only pussies act tough online.Quote:
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