It seems like they both run in similar style... Same rail with the small spring to soften the hit. Anyone explain further what differences these two machines have other than a different style frame? Is the stroke much different etc?
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It seems like they both run in similar style... Same rail with the small spring to soften the hit. Anyone explain further what differences these two machines have other than a different style frame? Is the stroke much different etc?
Well, I run both. The noe-tat comes with different stroke options. I think some of the difference is in the things we can't see such as motors and etc.
Russ
Do you prefer one ove rhe other? Advantages vs disadvantages? Really curious. I have a bishop but considering neotat as well
The Neo is slightly heavier , if you like the Bishop I'd recommend checkin' out a Neo. Worse thing that can happen is you don't like it and put it on the classifieds on here someone will snap it up.
Oh and I think the spring is to act as a return so the needle will stop in the up position not as a damper.
the spring doesn't soften the hit just causes the it to stay back when power isn't on. I do think the double bearing causes a slight rolling effect which gives it a tiny amount of give but has nothing to do with a spring.
What are you guys running these at? I have one and run it at 10v and it's great for b&g with smooth transitions but I'm not getting the saturation I want with solid like I do with RW
Try a little less voltage ( 9.0 or 9.5 ) little more needle maybe and slow down a bit.
I run mine ay 8.5 to 9.0 for color saturation. I love both machines. BUT I like the fact I can get different stroke lengths with the neo and the people at neo are AMAZING to work with and speak to.
BUT I haven't had any issues with either machine.
But like it was said, if you like the bishop I suggest trying a neo (maybe Med. stroke) and try it. If ya don't like it let ME know and I'll trade ya or buy it outright from ya.
Thanks,
Russ
both of the builder are on the site..maybe they will chime in on the difference but I do own both and use them every day as far as the spring ,isn't to soften the hit.. it is to help with a quicker return and help with the life of the motor.they do have different stroke length as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by vsprotoss
i have two bishops I definetly have no problem getting good saturation with them, but I dont use long tapered needles with them
my bishop puts solid color in like nothing else, and super smooth layering shading to. I know there have been machines sent out with motors that run on diff volts. 9.5 on the original for color but there were some that ran slower might be as much as 12 volts to get the same revs. if in doubt you should message franco.
the new vivace runs so smooth!! and i have no prob getting great saturation.
One of the comments on this thread says both builders are on this site.
It'd be great to have them explain the differences in their machines.
I know Franco Vescovi builds the Bishop, but I don't know about the Vivace. I'll see if I can find and message Franco to see if he wants to chime in. Anyone else care to do the same for the Vivace builder?
Fuck me this is an old thread to resurrect? Ray who builds Vivace/Neotat is an engineer who saw a way to improve on rotary tattoo machines. I don't know a great deal about him but his machines both old and new are highly talked about and used by some of the best artists in the business.
I saw a picture of Steve Moore tattooing with a neotat.
I use them both, daily. I tend to line and color with my Neo Tats, and do any BG shading with the Bishop. I'm pretty confident that if I only had one or the other, I could still get anything done. Very very similar, and both great machines.
try the shagbuild - and you get the best of both worlds :)
d20 is a fantastic machineQuote:
Originally Posted by darkness
Ive owned both, prefer neotats, in 4.2 stroke. And actually prefer the older motors. hit a little bit harder. Seems like the "magic motors" are a little less punchy. Had a bishop a couple yrs ago and it had the slightest bit of give to it. Both are excellent machines, very similar. Again I prefer neotats. I believe they also originated the design; I remember their ads in magazines years and years ago w the older body style. I used to think"what an ugly f**kin machine". I have learned to not write anything off until Ive tried it.
Just got a bishop dated 2014, wondering if I should remove the spring if I intend to use it for cartridges?
Yes, carts have the tension in them already so its not necessaryQuote:
Originally Posted by thulsh