ftw, i hear you, when they change shit up that made the machines what they were on the sly, shit pisses me off. this motor though runs pretty punchy though. it would be nice to se if there are different identifying marks to see what motor i have. i had the maxon and it was a beast, enjoyed it. but i tell ya, if you had to trade two machines to get one halo, it would be completely worth it imho. i fuckin love my halos, and with ttechs they are fucking epic bro! seriously the best machine/needle setup ive ever used.