just to add my findings,,,ive always been and said I always would be a no give user,,,i tried all the hard settings for the flite at a range of volts but couldn't nail each task with one setup,,,so I packed it and shelved and switched back to my spirit,,,actually sold one of my flites thinking I would never need 2 and kept on eback just incase I ever wanted to try again with it,,,,,i decided to give it one more go a few days back and sell it to fund a thunder,,,then I had a moment lol,,,I asked myself just how much 'give' these bars actually do actually give,,,i mean ya can only really test it by pushing the inner part of the cart needle housing up I guess,,,and tried it first with the soft spring at 10v on 3.5mm cam,,,and I was a lil surprised it didn't give at all,,,so now im assuming the bars dont actually work like give on say a swashdrive whip or hyper v3 as standard give seeing the needle actually backing up,,but more of how hard it pushes the plunger on the cart,,,this could be totally wrong of course just a line of thinking,,,so with that in mind I kept that setup as it was 3.5,,soft bar,,10v,,,with about 2mm of needle out when running,,the results were amazing,,,it lined,,it packed,,,it shaded,,,0 trauma,,no redness,,no swelling,,,and it was serious fun!!! I did find my self slowing down a lil more than normal but seeing the results just made it better and more enjoyable,,,and for the bars flexin whilst running,,,put a band round it on the notches either side of the houing to steady it a little!!