Thank you Darkness. Ill have to wait till they get them back in stock as sold out is a common theme at the moment with a lot of these new machines. Sometimes I can't believe how big tattooing is these days. I have a nice Bishops Rotary I never used I wonder how that would work for dots with cartridges I will give it a try. It doesn't seem to have as much punch as my Spektra Edge X's but maybe it would do ood with a tight 3 cart.