Yeah I kinda agree on the consistency thing for NATS. I use bug pins curved mags for bng and sometimes they put the 11mag bug pins in regular 11 mags. I always check my needles so it's no big deal. Overall I'm pretty happy though. I toss less than 1 a box I'd say. I also use the gen 1 with the rubber band. I do think t techs needles are a bit better but I like the clear plastic NATS use