Got a chinese hawk in today

[Denner]

Interresting, if the needles are any good, please do share where to get them

[slicksteel]

I would pay a doller for the hawk ones but they are subpar and they have problems.

[fatcashdaddy]

I have a hawk and several other machines that I run the T-tech system on...If your running a t-tech system on any machine other than the cheyenne hawk, the rubber grommet/sleeve is not that big a deal. you can remove and clean and sterilize your T-tech tubes like any other tube...It is however a great big deal if you use a hawk machine..the leakage that occurs in the T-tech cartridge, and yes, I've had that happen to me, will destroy..let me repeat, DESTROY the hawk handgrip depth adjustment.. I've gone through 2 hawk grips in less than 3 months and i have a friend who uses T-tech's on his spirit and he's gone through 2 grips in less than 3 months..Its not so much the ink that is a problem, most ink is too thick to leak back into the grip..the devil is washing out your tips between colors. its water leaking back into the grip that corrodes and ultimately ruins a hawk grip

[Zapp]

I have a hawk and several other machines that I run the T-tech system on...If your running a t-tech system on any machine other than the cheyenne hawk, the rubber grommet/sleeve is not that big a deal. you can remove and clean and sterilize your T-tech tubes like any other tube...It is however a great big deal if you use a hawk machine..the leakage that occurs in the T-tech cartridge, and yes, I've had that happen to me, will destroy..let me repeat, DESTROY the hawk handgrip depth adjustment.. I've gone through 2 hawk grips in less than 3 months and i have a friend who uses T-tech's on his spirit and he's gone through 2 grips in less than 3 months..Its not so much the ink that is a problem, most ink is too thick to leak back into the grip..the devil is washing out your tips between colors. its water leaking back into the grip that corrodes and ultimately ruins a hawk grip

I almost used only the t-tech needles with my hawk but i never had any problem ! I also dont wrap them,after using cleaning it in a special solution and autoclave them ! But now i only use the t-tech system with steel grip and i like it mutch more because you can use every machine you want !!!! FANTASTIC !!!!!

[slicksteel]

I have a hawk and several other machines that I run the T-tech system on...If your running a t-tech system on any machine other than the cheyenne hawk, the rubber grommet/sleeve is not that big a deal. you can remove and clean and sterilize your T-tech tubes like any other tube...It is however a great big deal if you use a hawk machine..the leakage that occurs in the T-tech cartridge, and yes, I've had that happen to me, will destroy..let me repeat, DESTROY the hawk handgrip depth adjustment.. I've gone through 2 hawk grips in less than 3 months and i have a friend who uses T-tech's on his spirit and he's gone through 2 grips in less than 3 months..Its not so much the ink that is a problem, most ink is too thick to leak back into the grip..the devil is washing out your tips between colors. its water leaking back into the grip that corrodes and ultimately ruins a hawk grip

Once again for the price they charge for those grips you should be getting the highest grade of seamless stainless steel on the market-of course they want them to fail so you have to spend hundreds of dollers for new ones and have to keep buying there way over prices carts!

[fatcashdaddy]

Once again for the price they charge for those grips you should be getting the highest grade of seamless stainless steel on the market-of course they want them to fail so you have to spend hundreds of dollers for new ones and have to keep buying there way over prices carts!

i agree with you on the price and they should be stainless. I was talking to a friend who owns a spirit and talks to both konrad and wes (from unimax) and apparently they have been replacing grips when they go bad (at least they are for this guy)..he took 2 grips back to unimax and they replaced them for free..he also has a box that he puts any hawk cartridges that are hooked or have any problems in and when the box gets filled with 10 cartridges, he takes them to unimax and they replace them with a box of any size hawk cartridges he wants for free... the grip problem is getting so bad that unimax says Never sterilize your hawk grip and they have a disclaimer that if you use T-tech's you void your warantee and they won't replace the grip..my friend bought that stuff zap uses (and boris shows in the video) and used it on his newest grip (which is having problems already) and he said it didn't work for him, his grip completely locked up after using that stuff....(zap should teach a course in hawk grip cleaning,lol)

[fatcashdaddy]

ok, here is an early review of the "Chawk" (chinese hawk, lol)....the machine runs good. it is alot like my hawk except its not as quiet. I did 2 tattoo's with it today and I didn't like lining with it (but i didn't like lining with my hawk either)..it seems to me that its a short stroke machine. I generally like 3.5mm or longer strokes but I kept getting snags with this machine. I set it at my usual depth and it was just snagging like crazy. I reset the depth at the shallowest the grip would allow and turned up the voltage ( i was originally running it around 8 volts ) to 11volts.. it stopped most of the snags but still hung up a couple of times....I then changed to a mag and colored.. it colored real nice..I was very happy with it as a shader...

I only have 5rl, 8rs, and 15rm cartridges so I only got to use the 5rl cartridge today (i used T-tech mag cartridges for the shading and a 14rs )

the 5rl cartridge was nice but the grouping was very tight. that works for me as I usually do smaller tattoo's. the 15rm, although i didn't use one I did check it out some. the width of the 15rm needles was narrower than the tip shovel so the needles have a tendency to waver side to side and make a bit of a noise. the 8rs were shit....they aren't even soldered, just stuck in the casing (see picture)..I hope that was a onetime oversight mistake (i'm going to chalk it up to rushing it to production)...I ordered more cartridges in various sizes (1,3,5,7,9 liners and 7,9,11 mags) and I'll scrutinize them when they arrive.. I guess the jury is still out on these cartridges but for right now I say ok for the 5rl, no to the 15rm (i rarely use them anyway) and a big OH MY GOD to the 8rs (lol)
8rs.jpg

[Zapp]

(zap should teach a course in hawk grip cleaning,lol)

Hahahahhaha,maybe :-)
Yes,i forget you can see it in the video witch i get when i bought the hawk !
I find it also on youtube :
http://youtu.be/9vlQqtneI2Y
Check it at minute:9:29
I clean it the same way,brush it (no ultrasonic ),dry it and autoclave them. Finish !
No problem !

[slicksteel]

I used to make them before all the sterile premades were around then they started selling premade grouped heads then i went that way then they started selling needles grouped on bars but not sterile then i went that way(had to still clean,bag and sterilize them thoe) then completes came along and I was in heaven! lol Flux was killing me due to my asthma!

[Dan Kubin]

how much was that thing?

I sure am glad I don't rely on my machine building to pay my bills.. If so, I'd be too worried the Chinese would rip off my design and sell them for pennies on the dollar.
I think they only rip off that space age looking stuff though..so I think I'm safe.