The dragonfly replica

[No Iron Machines]

Hey robin, vc es portuguese?
Eu trabalhe por pedro da piranha la no viseu...

[peter clements]

maybe im wrong, this is my point of view, maybe becouse i spend a lot of time to build machines, but im sure many other good builders around the world think same as me

I would say all good builders would agree with you. The thing we are talking about here is INTEGRITY.

[Jim]

Anyone else wonder where Cheeta and Jane were while reading this thread? I swear I felt my forehead go Cromagnon for a minute. People that rip off machines take several shortcuts, they don't put any of their time and money in the design or engineering. They are just like a scratcher not putting any time in blood borne pathogens or sterility, but both do somehow take pride and defend their work. They take all these shortcuts not caring about their customer or who they are hurting. That's why it is unethical.

Perhaps, that's why they don't mind calling them guns...they could point either at you and not care.

[robinTS]

you still work there?
his there i buy my supplies. say hello to pedro from me tell him is carlos from povoa

[Clone Boy]

Machines dont make a tattoo. The artist does.
As long as the artist feels at home with there machines then cost or brand shouldnt matter. I agree about the time and effort put into the originals but can anyone say they have never bought an item whatever it maybe as a fake/knock-off, or downloaded from a torrent site for free, ever?
Nike.Adidas.Prada.Coca-Cola. Keep everyone afraid and they will consume.....

[wildboy]

Do you really think that compares to tattoo machine builders? The companies you named have the ability and money to fight back with big lawsuits I guess small tattoo companies dont have that opportunity. Besides that their copyright portected shit gets pulled at the customs too and will be destroyed.

[Ta2GeezerUK]

Do you really think that compares to tattoo machine builders? The companies you named have the ability and money to fight back with big lawsuits I guess small tattoo companies dont have that opportunity. Besides that their copyright portected shit gets pulled at the customs too and will be destroyed.

Very true statement WB, It is the big guns that have the power for sure. I think it would be because of the size of the community on the whole that Tattooing will never fall into that category of being able to stop counterfeit,

[Jim]

Many machine builders are small entities they are not multinational corporations. They don't lobby corrupt government electorates to further their agendas. If corporate evil is the argument then what about a whole country, running off the same principle of multinational corporations?

Your corporate argument is flawed my friend. Ask the machine builders on this forum if they are a large multinational corporation, or if they are trying to put food on their table for their families. Ask them if they hire local workers and create jobs in their communities.

There are some that probably do outsource to china and they know who they are, pick up their machine and run it you will too. Being able to tattoo well with anything is a moot point, its a conscience clearing self justification for taking food out of the tattoo communities mouth. I am starting to be glad that I am unable to tattoo any longer, the community used to be tight knit and respectful of one another...now look at it. It's a shameful disgrace in it's current state, it's become another meme, thanks to media, DIY kits, and some idiots that don't care about who they bring into the tattoo family as long as you have 5k and two weeks to spare. I am starting to think the scratcher community is closer to original tattooing and it's roots, because they are hungry, eager to learn, tight knit, risk everything just to tattoo, and would give their left nut or ovary to get an apprenticeship at a legit street shop...and that's sad.

I don't know man it sucks to feel this way...sorry for the rant, I just miss the true grit and root of what tattooing used to be. I hate seeing the trade turn into: psychologist with a tattoo machine, and a bunch of hipster idiots that don't deserve to touch a machine, much less be tattooed by one ruining a once sacred trust. All of you that hold that trust and the craft passed to you in high regard and keep it's roots...I salute you.

I suppose shattering the myth that everyone gets tattooed not just outlaws and criminals has been helpful in someways, but destructive as well in how it's watered down and divided the community...that's why I wish I was still able to tattoo, so I could be one of those that proudly hold up the banner of my tattooing fore-fathers legacy with respect, determination and lasting integrity. Not one of those sorry sacks of crap that exploit the industry for a passing buck.

[Mr.Taboo]

"Tattoos used to mean you lived outside the law; now tattoos mean you’ve been to a mall." ~ Penn Jillette

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[Dman]

Its funny the other day I interviewed and Engineer and he knew how to draw parts and what they should do but didnt have a clue as to how there manufactured. Then the next day I went to look at a supplier. They were 100% chinese workers here in the USA, they had no clue what the product does or why but damn they knew how to manufacture it and in large quantities. I guess this is why they have no clue what to put in the descriptions.