Debate is definately healthy, Both the ugly side of this Craft and the beautiful side. I dont wish to promote this stuff but merely allow those thinking about it to make an informed decision on the quality they are letting themselves in for.. Knock off/Counterfeit whatever you want to call it will be here long after we are gone as it always has been. I'm sure there will be guys on here as elsewhere that will be voiceing opinions on the garbage and at the same time ordering them by the dozen to flog on to others! That is a sad fact of life. Nothing anymore is sacred!.... Oh and sorry Admin for making more work for ya! Re: a subforum. I'm sure it will prosper lol.