I dont think the stealths are bad for the money-they can get the gob done with small liners/shaders just fine-it is a pretty close rip-off thoe of the real swiss, but I like have posted already the swiss was nothing new ,this style of machine has been made by tattooers out of there workshops in canada and the uk for years were rotarys have been used long before the usa jumped on board.Alie has done some very nice work with them if you look at her pics folder on here.So the machine can do good work and i have seen plenty of other top notch artist that can make magic with it to.