MAXON motors vs. MABUCHI vs. other brand...

[Dan Kubin]

also, I have not had an issue with the needle stopping in the down position.. maybe it's just something to get used to (if you are used to coils), but I don't ever stop my machine while having it pressed on someone. I personally don't see the practicality in comparison to needing a bulky, high powered motor to power the machine.

[OwlsDen]

Dan, I think the stop position issue is more something for people that run off the tube. I have always hung the needle out so it isn't an issue for me anyways. I could see how always stopping in the down could be useful in setting needle depth. Just my two cents.

[rjdadio]

I posted this a year ago....I still like the mabuchi motors over the maxon. In my application the maxons wore out in a short time and the mabuchis outlast the maxons many times over. I have Mabuchi make the motors to my specs and are built on the rk370 model. The kysan and nichibo motors were junk. I'm currently working on another machine and have some faulhabers to test where this machine will not have the loading on the motor shaft the same way my neos do.....so we will see.

[No Iron Machines]

HELLO

ACCETTABLE RPM is between 9000 to 12000 NO LOAD, some people use 14000 or more for DIRECT DRIVE ROTARY, i think is really a lot, becouse suppose the COILS MACHINES run maybe at 90 to 120 HZ with needles and rubber band, LINER or SHADING depend of course, have one procedure to compare RPM of ROTARY to HZ of COILS machines, i don remenber now, need ask to my fahter , is an electronic technic, him know

DAN, about NICHIBO, is almost same as MABUCHI or other brand of this kind of motor made in TAIWAN, i sty tesT now, is good when they are big size and have more than 5 WATT,
try NICHIBO MS3N-2880, 12000 RPM, operatin range 6-12 VOLT, 5.90 WATT, duty cycle 64%, DON WORRY , FOR ROTARY MACHINES U NEVER GONNA BURN, survive same as MABUCHI, make the test yourself and see

all this kind of motor MABUCHI, NICHICO, CITIZEN, and many more made in ASIA, the factory say they have 5000 HOURS of live, all the same, u can ask , they have different DUTY CYCLE, mean the % when the motor work and when need stop
so immagine u use 3 hours at day, 365 day at year, the motor gonna survive about 5 years, is good

sorry my english not so good, i try to explain better, hope all u understand, the DUTY CYCLE or MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY is espress on %, so mean that this motors cannot run continuosly, have some time for work and some time for stop , i mean, that duty cyle is 50% on the motor, mean that the motor run example 2 hours continuosly and after need stop for same 2 hors

the big difference between expencive DC MOTORS same as MAXON, FAULHABER, PORTESCAP, NAMIKI, and some more , respect normal massive production DC MOTORS same as MABUCHI, NICHIBO, CITIZEN , and many other brand is exatly the duty CYCLE, mean, the quality of the component inside are more strong on the quality motor, so they have more DUTY CYCLE, the MAXON i use on my rotary have 84 % of this, is much more than any other motor, mean, is possible run much more longer and stop much less time respect simple motor, without problem of burn, this is not something im invented, is the TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS, u go to the website and ceck

but is also true that ROTARY TATTOO MACHINE don need run constantly, always have the stop time, so the motors always run and stop, run and stop, u never gonna arrive to break the DUTY CYCLE of them,

also, more power have the motor, less is strees, becouse u use maybe just half of this power, so the motor work more easy and survive more

almost any DC motor with around 5 watt or more is possible use good on ROTARY MACHINES, that u have ROTARY machines direct, without the STY UP SRING, u can use very fine a 2-2.5 WATT motor, no problem

the big problem is the size of DC MOTOR on the different brand and quality
example the MAXON MOTOR used on STYGMA or SWASHDRIVE or also now on the new SPEKTRA is the model 216000, very great motor, diameter 16 mm, lenght 25.4 mm, 12 VOLT, 4.5 watt power, 11200 RPM, 75% DUTY, DON EXIST IN THE MARKET ANY MOTOR LIKE THIS, SMALL WITH THAT POWER, for have 4 or 5 watt on MABUCHI u need have 25 mm diameters or more and around 30 or 32 mm lenght, this why MAXON so expencive or FAULHABER

the MAXON i use on my rotary is the 110123, 15 VOLT, 10300 RPM, 5 WATT, 84% DUTY, 22mm diameter, 32 mm lenght , im very happy with him, is strong motor, i like, maybe little bit expencive but im happy

im very surprise now on testing MABUCHI and the model of NICHIBO, becouse they work pretty good and have the same performance of MAXON, they little bit bigger but is ok, son i gonna comeout with a new ROTARY model, much smaller and lighter than one already build, and maybe i move to MABUCHI, i wanna see, maybe i gonna use a big motor more than 6 WATT, so u have all the power u want and gonna survive a lot a alot, i gonna work a lot on the frame, much smaller and lighter possible, we see...

im already sty draw on CAD a couple of different ROTARY, maybe i gonna done more than 1 new model... i also don wanna build 500 dollar of machines, is to much expencive, i mean TATTOOS astart become to much expencive, ljust like the ELITE ARTISTS can spend 500 or more dollar for a machine, in many country the tattoos is cheap and have some great artist also, go in south america, many many good artists but the price of tattoos is not same as UAS or EUROPE,
build expencive machines sound like just wanna have rich tattoo artists than buy them, i dono maybe im wrong but i consider this point of view also,

[No Iron Machines]

HEY RJDADIO,
your NEOTAT machine is great, can u post the SPECIFICATIONS of your motor, please? for compare to the others on market

DIAMETER, LENGHT, RPM, VOLTAGE, WATT, DUTY,

NEOTAT and VIVACE they have the same motor ? booth machines have the STY UP SPRING ?

the guy from BISHOP they use your same motor ?

GREETS...

[rjdadio]

I am using the rk-370 series motor and the one I use is only 3 watt at max efficiency. The motor is 24.4mm in diameter and the body is 30.8mm in length. 12 volt motor with a no load speed of 8900-9000 rpm. I test the motors in a machine that sits and runs for no less than 1000 hours.....no stop for a rest.....it just runs and runs. The Maxons I have tested that had similar specs developed bearing problems after about 300 running hours.....so the Mabuchi out did them in life.
Yes the mabuchis are made in china or similar country, but they are held to Japanese QC standards. It has been fun trying to communicate with the Japanese engineers! Yes a 5 watt motor may be unstopable, but I don't really see the need for a motor this big......it pulls more current to run.
I'm not sure what Franco is using in his bishops now, but he did use the same motor when he started doing his.
I use a spring that pushes the glide into the up posistion, but it is for more than just returning the the needle up.

I went into making the NeoTats so that they were not expensive to buy. I don't see the need to "gouge" people.....if I can make it and make some money at the same time. What can be better?
I know what it takes to get into the tattoo machine business!
I made machine parts for other companies for years until I desided to give it a go myself.....actually the main company I was doing work for went behind my back and started getting the things I came up for them made in China!

This project put me in poverty and I just about lost it all in borrowing money with credit cards and morgaging my properties just to pay the bills. I almost gave up on it......thinking I am quiting this, walking away and cutting my losses. I worked at extra jobs, I sold stuff that I had accumulated or collected for years to keep the lights on. If you think I am trying to sell you a BS sob story....it's not, it's all true. I had set what I called the "drop dead date" that I was going to pull the plug on the project. I had put together a new resume and sent it out to companies that I hope would hire me. Then someone listened......The good Lord or???.
Now a days my office wants me to raise the price of my machines and I say NO. I will keep doing what I'm doing, making good, affordable tattoo machines.
I will keep working to make better machines....where I can.

I have a wonderful wife and family that stood behind me and kept me going......or I would not be on this forum today.

Sorry for going off the subject.

[Dan Kubin]

Great story, Ray!

[Bishopbyname]

Great attitude Ray! My Vivace is one of my daily drivers. I'll be after a short stroke very shortly.

[rjdadio]

I'm an old Fart....so I'm good for a story! ....thought I was losing it going off topic....but I do that.

What I talking about?

Damn this CRS.....

[OwlsDen]

I know it is off topic, but I would love to hear that story of that machine you designed and built for some company. I assume I know exactly which one that is. Ironicly enough I almost bought that machine when I first started an apprenticeship back in the 90s. I could be wrong.