lol Yeah yeah man i hear what you all are saying. Im not into rotarys or better yet i am new to them so i asked. What if a builder stops selling the machines ? Drops old machines and builds new ones ? Then im stuck with a $400 machine with no motor. Like the show "shark Tank" he didnt invest in the guys invention cause it was all on him, so he said what if you walk out the door and get hit by a bus ? Then he is screwed. I dont like that motors die and im stuck relying on the builder my whole life if a motor goes. Im a user of coils and i can fix ANYTHING my self any time and i love that i dont have to rely on someone else. I already found a replacment for my dragonfly anyway which is what i wanted and saved about $100. I understand how to find them if needed (open up and measure specs). Thanks to those who actually gave specs #'s ect and pm'ed me. Its easier to get most motors from the builders this may be true but some can be found cheaper in the states or different motors at same specs. I dont like being tied down thats all, even with coils i can buy any pair from any where. This is all i meant, its ok............ its ok