paulo cruzes rotaries

[bluerocker]

oh i see some posts have been removed, inkslingers post isnt on here anymore, has it been deleted........mmmmm

[No Iron Machines]

Him buy the dragonfly copy from china, and modified.... This is the bad thing...

[Gabetexas]

oh i see some posts have been removed, inkslingers post isnt on here anymore, has it been deleted........mmmmm

Noticed this as well.
Why is it that a lot of replies and posts in general have a bad vibe. I really like this forum, but people need to stop getting so butt hurt about everything.

[OwlsDen]

A lot of people especially the builders ( we are lucky to have so many builders here ) take a lot of offense to people copying other people's machines. So when people post about knock offs, it sparks some strong feelings. If something is deleted then someone must have gone to far and the post was removed or the poster removed it themselves. There are a few threads just about this builder / copier. As well as ones on the dragonfly copies.

[Gabetexas]

I understand that about this thread, but I meant in general. In this particular thread, its pretty fucked up that this dude is getting shitty knock offs and re making them himself. A lot of people were talking about the swazis being bad. (Something I do not agree with) But deleting post for any reason is pretty bad.

[OwlsDen]

Sometimes things escalate and maybe it got ugly and we didn't see it. I know fights do happen. Everybody has an opinion good or bad. If things get too bad I think a cluster of posts get deleted to keep it from getting worse. Anyways do we really need another 12 page thread on knock off dragonfly machines?

[Inkslingers]

Let me clear something up here...no one deleted my post(s). I decided that I'd remove them to take myself out of this conversation because I didn't see the need to continue discussing a topic that was turning negative. As someone already said, feelings tend to run strong on this subject. The topic being "that there is no harm in copying another builders work". On that note I'll be even more clear. There's been some questioning (although I don't have a clue why) if Paulo Cruse copied the Dragonfly and put his name on it. In the man's defense, he actually didn't "copy" the Dragonfly, the rotary that he now sells is a "one off" of the Firefly (which of course was copied). The Firefly can be bought cheap if ordered in bulk, even cheaper if ordered without the motor...and I assume even cheaper if ordered stripped. At the end of the day, the machine is a copy. Now for those of you that don't see the harm in a builder, any builder copying the work of another, "arguing" it with you is mostly likely an act of futility. I've made my feelings very clear on this forum about where I stand on those that do this. To the point where how I expressed myself on this and the issue of scratchers had me close to getting kicked off. Not going there again. Not for the fear of being removed, but like I said...if someone doesn't get it by now, they never will.

[slicksteel]

To sum it up like mike-Inkslingers said alot of builders etc are doing exact copys of machines, coil makers included.Which is pretty fucked up for the original guy that invested his time and money in to it.I had done a long post on this about the bishop and its clip/slider etc over a year ago on here.I do think when you use someones idea you should have to pay them a percent if you are making money off it(common practice in the music industry if you sample etc.

[fkirons]

No comments.

[Alie K]

It's unfortunate when someone copies something so blatantly. I'll admit, I've made some "OMG, have you seen this?" posts of my own. Sometimes, something upsets me, and I like some feedback from people I feel will understand (you guys). I don't like when I see threads go awry, though. I don't like seeing insults being hurled, accusations being made - you know the deal.

I agree with with those that find it unfortunate when someone takes another person's hard work and design, duplicates it, and takes credit for it being the 'one and only'. Sure, we've all seen machines made by guys who use a Walker frame, or a Bulldog or anything else for that matter. Nobody gets all up in their shit for not designing their own frames. There may be an argument there, maybe not. It's nice to know that there are people who can recognize the original, and don't support the copycats. I'm not completely innocent of this myself. My introduction to rotaries was a Stealth. I won an ebay bid that included 4 or 5 of them among a bunch of other stuff (some random frames and spare parts). I knew it was a copy of a Swiss machine, but I had never used a rotary before, didn't know anyone else who used them, and didn't want to throw a bunch of money at something I would be experimenting with. I passed them out to my friends, we played around with them, and decided that rotaries were interesting, and bought some "real" ones. Of course, my interest in them got a little obsessive, so I got some help and made a forum so I could talk to other people who were "pro-rotary".

I think at this point of the thread, we're beating a dead horse, so to say, about this dude and his machine. I can totally understand why Inkslingers decided to remove some posts he made. People do that occasionally. I wish they didn't at times, because it can make a thread confusing, but if someone made a post, and later decided that what they wrote wasn't really what they wanted to say because perhaps, their anger got a hold of their fingers and "things were typed", it's their prerogative.

That being said, I think we're done here. Let's not make any more posts about this dude, ok? I don't want to have to delete future threads that complain about him specifically, and I myself my try to curb my own posts about "complainy things". Nothing wrong with rants, but maybe we all can rant about other things, like ridiculous clients who think we owe them the world because our tattoo machines are actually magic wands and we are all a bunch of lying bitches and bastards who won't let them into the secret magical circle, and less about machine rip-off artists and "ink masters" who do work stolen (badly) from other artists and claim it as their own. I say we leave that stuff for facebook.

So, who's done some rad paintings or drawing in their spare time?! I love to see that stuff!!

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