paulo cruzes rotaries

[bluerocker]

hey, i know some of you guys on here are not entirely happy with the new line of rotaries coming on to the scene from paulo, but besides your opinions on the design and paulo himself (personally i chat with him quite a bit and he seems like a very pleasant professional man) i would like to take a few minutes just to say that the rotary from him, is all round class.

i have the machine for what now, lil under a month, and im using it daily for every part, lining, packing, blending, shading, this machine does the lot. The hit is very adjustable to suit any need, the motor is quiet, strong and powerful, balance in my opinion couldnt be better, it is ultra light, very well built with quality parts, options of personalising with inscribing on the frame, i just cant fault it.

now while the design many may have seen and been some what offended by, i think everyones entitled to their own opinion and whilst many people will look upon something of this nature with disgust, my advice would be to look into the history of such like issues and decide for ones self. i find to many people in this industry are too quick to judge, bad mouth and slag off something/people because maybe they dont fully understand whats trying to be achieved maybe?
in the short term in the game, i have met some real arseholes, people who are all to ready to scream from hill tops all sorts of shit, cos they picture themselves on some platform that no other can reach or attain a similar level, and whilst those who are simply trying to progress in a new or similar direction, i think its a little harsh to be branding someone or something simply because they are trying to better themselves, products and their career.

i dont know hardly any of you guys on here, and ya can read this and disregard it all, call names etc, it really doesnt bother me, all im saying is i have read and heard what people are saying about him and the machines, and whilst again ill say your all totally entitled to your opinions, my advice for whats its worth is maybe try the machine then judge??

i recently spoke to paulo and he is developing new lines of rotaries at present, and will be opening a new website in which machines and all parts will be readily available. Me, all i can see is a guy trying something new to his regular line of work and offering a very good product and service with it, and working to be the best he can, whats the harm in that?

[turnrock]

the guy that carves swastikas in ebay dragonflys ?

[bluerocker]

you have read that thread also then?!

[bluerocker]

you know, nobody gives two shits if someone builds a t-dial frame, bulldog frame, walker etc does anyone really give 2 fucks if someone uses a similar design on there coils, or starts cutting springs the same shape as someone else? is it bad business to take something available, modify it and improve it, or does a swastika simply make you blush?
people can and will say what they like not just about this but anything, but to slate something ya know only of through reading something on the internet, which is opinion....really.... thats the bullshit attitude what most tattooist bitch about in the first place

[slicksteel]

I talked to him ,he custom makes the frames etc and the other parts are better made ones equal to the dragonflys. Also he uses maxon motors.I like his new sayagata one -one sweet looking machine!

BUT HE SHOULD HAVE PERMISSION FIRST TO DO THIS AND PAY WHAT IS DUE TO THE ORIGINAL MAKERS, I DO BELIEVE IN PROGRESS BUT YOU MUST DO IT RIGHT!!

[bluerocker]

so you completley defend the stealth then? another rip off that seems to be the only one which you guys deem fit to use?
so anything copied runs well does it? does a $10 jackhammer copy run as good a swash?
and yeah please explain the part where i so obv fail to see the harm in trying to improve a product? i wonder if you would feel so passionate about a new manufacturer of tyres using the same principle as a well established supplier but simply changing the name and tread?
i have no problem with a swastika being on anything, i think its too easy too just say it was used as a marketing tool to bring attention to a product, and like you say there are many other symbols and icons that could have been used yes, but do you think the symbol of the devil would strongly offend the more religous minded tattooist in the world? would there be such a fuss, i doubt it!
yes i agree there are many of other builders available to chose there machines, and thats only a good thing, my problem here is yet again, people are so quick to jump to the earliest of conclusions and condem it, simply because you didnt like the machines, does that mean others wont? it seems that along with many aspects of the trade it comes down to personal preference.

[turnrock]

you know, nobody gives two shits if someone builds a t-dial frame, bulldog frame, walker etc does anyone really give 2 fucks if someone uses a similar design on there coils, or starts cutting springs the same shape as someone else? is it bad business to take something available, modify it and improve it, or does a swastika simply make you blush?
people can and will say what they like not just about this but anything, but to slate something ya know only of through reading something on the internet, which is opinion....really.... thats the bullshit attitude what most tattooist bitch about in the first place

coil machine builders that use old frame styles like say paul rogers usually do it as a nod to them and dont claim to be the inventor.we all know where the walker,bulldog and t-dial came from just as we know where the dragonfly came from and hes not cliaming that he simply modified it is he?if i buy a stealth off ebay, put in a better motor,sand off the pain and carve a peace sign in it am i the machines builder?no

[turnrock]

ok so he says he's not buying the knock off dragonflys? i find that hard to believe since his machines poped up not long after the cheap dragonflys showed up. but who knows.and why would you replicate someone elses brand new design.theres infinate design possibilities but he took a dragonfly.that alone says alot about the builder

[bluerocker]

turnrock, with the frame styles....yeah i can see that to be fair, more of a paying homage to a great design, but were does the line come in from doing that to what others are saying paulos done, for me its not really any different. im sure that even with using famous frame designs the geometry will be slightly different or some other modifications that the builder saw to be an improvement on an original design, and for me thats all this guys done.
guys im not here to pick fights over this, i just figured it was only fair to give a different side toa story which i feel was was very one sided, i really think that if some of ya tried this or one of the other designs out ya would like them, from all the others that have purchased one no one has a bad word to say about them.

[Mike100]

Hi Guys,
I have been reading a lot about Paulo and his rotary machines, people don't agree that it has a very similar frame to the Dragonfly, however it is not a knock-off from eBay, I have used one myself and it runs beautifully and us extremely well made, I haven't used a Dragonfly however so I can't comment on whether it runs better or not. I can say though, that Paulo is one of the nicest and most genuine guys I have ever had the pleasure to deal with, and his customer service is outstanding. I have a coil machine from his as does one of my colleagues and I really like it, he is currently building me a custom shader.
I don't know about the Dragonfly or Paulos rotary, I can only vouch for him as a person and can assure you he is not trying to steal anything or rip anyone off, I'm sure plenty of people will disagree with me and that's fine, everyone is entitled to thier opinion, but if you speak to Paulo I'm sure you will see he is a great guy!