NeoTat Vivace Standard Stroke lining problem

[Shizzai]

I use Fusion black which is basically Eternal with double pigment content. Would it behoove me to dilute the ink a tad to overcome this problem? It doesn't happen often, but it's still present. It's also been suggested to me that I switch over to Dynamic.

[Administrator]

I use Fusion black which is basically Eternal with double pigment content. Would it behoove me to dilute the ink a tad to overcome this problem? It doesn't happen often, but it's still present. It's also been suggested to me that I switch over to Dynamic.

Power black or lining black? Also helps to know what needle configurations you are using, if they are of the super tight variety.

[Shizzai]

Lining black. And I usually run Mithra tight seven, loose five, tight nine, and loose eight, depending on desired line weight. Their classifications are awkward, so I guess the tights are super tight and the loose are regular tight. They list their loose configs as round loose shaders, of which I use a 5, but usually only for shading or line building.

[chris-in-cali]

I'll add to this because I have tried to line with vivace 3.5 a couple times now with no so great results.
don't have a blow out issue, but to me it seems that the needle configurations run very,very true.
For me, lining with an 8 seemed like lining with a 5 as far as the width of the layed down line.
Also, i had to move really slow, even at 9.5 to 10 volts.

In theory, i thought the vivace would make an awesome liner but i have not had great results with it.
I will say this though, the fuckiing thing is AWESOME at packing and blending color and B&G.

[Shizzai]

It punches too hard for me for bng, pretty much pepper shades everything no matter what speed or voltage I've run it at, and I'm used to the real smooth blends that the Neumas push out. Methinks I just need to play around with it some more and find the sweet spots. It's a great color packer though, especially with the X-long stroke motor.

[nivek]

if its pepper shading regardless of speed, your hand may be moving too fast, I slowed down my hand and got much nicer blends out of it.

[Shizzai]

I've tried it all man, slow/faster hand speed, whip shading, circle shading, I think it might have something to do with an element of my setup I'm not considering. I'll find it, though. I'm persistent.

[OwlsDen]

Try backing the needle further in to the tube. I use a 4.2mm stroke RW with no give for soft shading, B&G, and color packing with zero issues. I just change my needle hang for the job

[tugg]

Try backing the needle further in to the tube. I use a 4.2mm stroke RW with no give for soft shading, B&G, and color packing with zero issues. I just change my needle hang for the job

was gonna mention this , you can't have as much needle hang as you would a coil
sorry I thought we were talking about lining . but yeah same with b&g but for different reasons

[The Limey]

I'll add to this because I have tried to line with vivace 3.5 a couple times now with no so great results.
don't have a blow out issue, but to me it seems that the needle configurations run very,very true.
For me, lining with an 8 seemed like lining with a 5 as far as the width of the layed down line.
Also, i had to move really slow, even at 9.5 to 10 volts.

In theory, i thought the vivace would make an awesome liner but i have not had great results with it.
I will say this though, the fuckiing thing is AWESOME at packing and blending color and B&G.

The Neotat has surgical precision compared to most other machines and as a result shows every wibble, wobble and shake, try using a 9 round shader or possibly even a 14 round next time its far more forgiving