Hey there Jimmi, I do mostly traditional stuff, and always use a swashdrive. I can line with anything but they actually line better with larger groups like 11s. Its very different and takes a bit to get used to but once you get the hang of it they are amazing. I can also whip shade and pack solid colour all with the same machine. The lining is slower but packing colour is faster so it all evens out. And the pain is reduced (I have experienced this first hand) and they are lighter and quieter. I havn't used any other rotary but will be giving the Rapiers a try in a week or so. The only downfall of the swashdrives are the price. They are way too expensive.