I've been using my new Bishop Capo for about a week now and I gotta say, I think the amount of give is perfect! It's dampened just about perfect for my taste even at the higher end of the recommended voltage range, I don't really turn it down much. I use the 3.5mm stroke and I think it's the best shader I've used yet, but it's really too soft of a hit for a liner in my opinion. I'd like to try the 4.2mm stroke wheel for lining. Even though it runs a little slower than I'd prefer for a liner, it's just such a smooth, precise and well balanced machine that I may be willing to sacrifice some speed. The stroke is so precise that it's really hard going back to my Bizarre and that blasted give system. And my Storm is now a designated t-tech machine because w/o the pre-load of the cartridges to dampen the hit it's just too much. It has absolutely NO GIVE at higher voltages. If the Capo is what No-Give machines are really about then I'm in. I pre-ordered a Spectra Halo to try out though, I was especially intrigued by the faster down stroke. Got a 4mm stroke wheel coming w/ it too so I can try it out as a liner. Depending on how that goes I might try the 4.2 mm stroke on my Capo for lining before I break down and purchase a Cranker or one of Nick's machines. I'll keep you posted.