New Stigma Fly-Needle tensioner and tube lock !

[slicksteel]

I think prob the best idea would be to not do that ,and only have your parts for your paying customers.

[slicksteel]

Yea I think builders borrow idea from each other(progress) but it not so cool to straight up copy with out paying it forward! I think the only way to go would be to support the original makers ideas so they will be able to still be able to make great machines for the end user.
Just my 2cents on it!

[The Limey]

here's the breakdown

If you want to keep your cards a secret, hold them close to your chest....

Very nice of them to post it so that artists can take a hands-on approach to machine repair, but perhaps maybe not the best idea?

I'd take that down and send a pdf to people that purchase them although that isn't going to make any difference now...

[Alie K]

Seriously! I was surprised when I saw that! BOOM! Right there. I guess that's why the Swash doesn't send you the manual with it anymore. Too many knockoffs because of doing just that.

[Administrator]

Seriously! I was surprised when I saw that! BOOM! Right there. I guess that's why the Swash doesn't send you the manual with it anymore. Too many knockoffs because of doing just that.

About 100+ pages of said knockoff listed on eBay, usually in gold.

[rjdadio]

From day one, my machine manual has been online in PDF form....but with password protection. You buy a machine, you get the password.

[Alie K]

From day one, my machine manual has been online in PDF form....but with password protection. You buy a machine, you get the password.

Even with that, I might still be paranoid that someone bought a machine just to show someone else the secrets behind it. (though it DOES keep you from having to deal with all the minor repairs or maintenance that a person could simply do themself)

[Alie K]

...Kind of like putting photos up on Facebook. Post a nice tattoo, you know someone will copy it an mimic it.

[Tommy]

they should have patented it (i don't know that they haven't).

but like with any other thing, discerning consumers will go with the actual innovator, not the copier. especially when its no cheaper.

[Administrator]

Patents cost A LOT of money and are easily circumvented by a minor change. Lawsuits also cost a ton of money. The needle tensioned is not an integral part to the design and function of that machine. Though it did make them unique its tough because a minor changes can be argued as improvements not copying. I agree, people vote with their wallets and in the end the consumers will make a choice either way. The dragonfly guys are the new kids on the block compared to stigma but have had had the concept of that needle tensioner on their machines from day one.

Do you buy based on the consumer based excitement of whats new new new? or do you buy based on legacy and reputation.