The Bisahop

[PAWNJOB]

First off I'd like to say that this is probably a worthwhile debate and I hope that it doesn't turn into an argument (just my 2¢ as well). I both agree and disagree with you Joel. It might just be that I'm using the wrong terminology, but if you listen to what I'm trying to say and don't get too hung up on words I think you'll catch my drift BananaJuicy. Just know that "give" and "hit" are two different things. While the Capo is a no-give machine it still has a softer hit than some other no-give machines and also some adjustable machines at a no-give setting. So I don't think that you can rightfully say that a machine can't have somewhat of a soft hit just because it's a no-give machine. I'd say that even with my Spektra set up with some give it still hits harder than my Bishop by a good deal.

I agree that when you release the give a bit on the Spektra that you have better luck with lining. Let's say you're using a 3.6 mm stroke wheel w/ your Halo. If you have it tightened down to a "no-give" setting you will have a 3.6mm stroke length. Now let's say you let out the give setting a bit leaving you with a 3.8 millimeter stroke, you'd now have .2mm of give. So basically when you touch the needle tips to the skin you'd be able to press down another .2mm before you compressed the spring all the way again and were essentially back to "no-give". That's give. I think this is where it gets a little tricky to talk about but here it goes.

I certainly don't want to put words in Gaston's mouth, nor do I want to search threads for exactly what he said, but as I understand it the Spektra's give system is set up so that when you allow for a bit of give you actually end up with a harder downstroke than upstroke. You're adding more velocity to the downstroke than you'd have at a no-give setting which I would think constitutes a harder hit. Regardless of how he worded it, it certainly feels that way to me, and apparently to you too even though it may not fit the exact definition of our terminology Joel.

This is where we encounter some gray area and I can't say with confidence that it's actually a harder hit sense you're adding give at the same time, kind of a contradiction. Perhaps we need an additional term in order to accurately define the "hit" if we don't have one already. Velocity, torque? If how I described the Spektra's give system as it relates to the hit is accurate, I would still have to concede that at the very least you'd have less torque through the .2mm length of the stroke where you'd have give. We may be splitting hairs at this point but can we say that we have a harder hit if we've increased velocity of the downstroke but add give at the same time?

Lastly, you call it whatever you want, and I don't know if it's the stroke length or the speed at a reasonable range of volts or what, but THE CAPO HITS SOFT! Too soft to line efficiently for my technique, and I don't much like slowing down or pushing down too hard in order to compensate for it either. Glad to hear it works well for you Joel, it's definitely an awesome machine. I hope it makes a great liner for you as well Banana, but I'm definitely not the only one who shares the opinion that the bishop is too soft for a good liner. Good luck w/ it 'Nana, keep us posted.


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