The Bisahop

[BananaJuicey]

I ordered a Bishop on Thursday & it arrived today, thats less than a week from USA to UK.
I havent used it yet, but I run it & it was so smooth, reckon I'll have no trouble lining with it.
Cant wait to use it tomorrow
Thanks Franco your definitely the man

[Dan-tattoo]

I love my old bishop and new capo. 2 of my best..Franco is a great guy.

[PAWNJOB]

Which stroke length did you get? It's an awesome machine but I don't use it for lining unless it's on the top of the foot or a fat person's calf. In my opinion it's a little on the slow side with too soft of a hit for lining. I've only tried the the 3.6 though, I imagine you'd have a better time lining if you were using the 4 mm stroke. Great little shader though, nice and smooth!

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[luckyyoutattoo]

the 4,2 is a monster liner i use it for all my old school lines 11-14-18 rs

[joelhague]

I dont get how ppl can say the bishop hits soft .. it has zero give it hits the same as a neo tat witch is hard i have owned 3 the reason it feels soft is because of the no give use a soft grommet or paper towel square and it will feel like its hitting harder when actually its hitting softer... its the same deal with my spektra for lining with the give cranked it feels like i have to work harder for my lines like it doesnt do what i want as much with the give locked down tight then you open it up slightly witch is makin the hit softer bit it feel like its getting a better hit in the skin some may assume its harder lol if that makes any sense. And you can line just fine with zero give it just takes getting used to i found while using the bishop of vivace that you can move fast but at the start of the line you have to make sure you get the correct puncture once the needle has punctured the skin correctly you hold it at that depth and move across the line holding the machine on a constant angle and depth feeling it get that crunchy puncture feeling through the whole line i find the best way is to puncture then back off slightly just ise the tips of the needles with rotary sometimes it feels you have to push harder on the skin this is not true you only have to push harder to get that initial puncture at the start of the line then back off the presure and feel the machine feeding the ink into skin skin filling it up, ill know if i have a nice line even before i wipe because of the feeling in the skin

[joelhague]

Like run your machine at 8.5 volts and press your thumb into the nipple how is that soft on any shape or form the machine goes all the way down and all the way up with every stroke . Now do it with any coil you own and tell me the bishop still hits soft , just feels soft in the skin because your not taking your time and getting a correct puncture and the skin is bouncing with the needle most likely.. just my two cents corrrect me if im wrong but thats been my personal experience and its how i tattoo everyday feeling that inital punch then backoming my hand pressure off slightly your hand is what creates the softness not the machine. I find the best result using my spektra with 1 turn out with t tech , I believe the t tech also gives a slight dampening. It would be awesome to get franco's input on this in a old post he had it said he was using rubber nipples of some sort but when speaking on the phone to him recently he told me he preffered using paper towel squares I think most no give rotary users will agree a soft nipple or paper towel grommet is the way to go atleast for lining and Color packing black and grey is awesome with no give

[PAWNJOB]

First off I'd like to say that this is probably a worthwhile debate and I hope that it doesn't turn into an argument (just my 2¢ as well). I both agree and disagree with you Joel. It might just be that I'm using the wrong terminology, but if you listen to what I'm trying to say and don't get too hung up on words I think you'll catch my drift BananaJuicy. Just know that "give" and "hit" are two different things. While the Capo is a no-give machine it still has a softer hit than some other no-give machines and also some adjustable machines at a no-give setting. So I don't think that you can rightfully say that a machine can't have somewhat of a soft hit just because it's a no-give machine. I'd say that even with my Spektra set up with some give it still hits harder than my Bishop by a good deal.

I agree that when you release the give a bit on the Spektra that you have better luck with lining. Let's say you're using a 3.6 mm stroke wheel w/ your Halo. If you have it tightened down to a "no-give" setting you will have a 3.6mm stroke length. Now let's say you let out the give setting a bit leaving you with a 3.8 millimeter stroke, you'd now have .2mm of give. So basically when you touch the needle tips to the skin you'd be able to press down another .2mm before you compressed the spring all the way again and were essentially back to "no-give". That's give. I think this is where it gets a little tricky to talk about but here it goes.

I certainly don't want to put words in Gaston's mouth, nor do I want to search threads for exactly what he said, but as I understand it the Spektra's give system is set up so that when you allow for a bit of give you actually end up with a harder downstroke than upstroke. You're adding more velocity to the downstroke than you'd have at a no-give setting which I would think constitutes a harder hit. Regardless of how he worded it, it certainly feels that way to me, and apparently to you too even though it may not fit the exact definition of our terminology Joel.

This is where we encounter some gray area and I can't say with confidence that it's actually a harder hit sense you're adding give at the same time, kind of a contradiction. Perhaps we need an additional term in order to accurately define the "hit" if we don't have one already. Velocity, torque? If how I described the Spektra's give system as it relates to the hit is accurate, I would still have to concede that at the very least you'd have less torque through the .2mm length of the stroke where you'd have give. We may be splitting hairs at this point but can we say that we have a harder hit if we've increased velocity of the downstroke but add give at the same time?

Lastly, you call it whatever you want, and I don't know if it's the stroke length or the speed at a reasonable range of volts or what, but THE CAPO HITS SOFT! Too soft to line efficiently for my technique, and I don't much like slowing down or pushing down too hard in order to compensate for it either. Glad to hear it works well for you Joel, it's definitely an awesome machine. I hope it makes a great liner for you as well Banana, but I'm definitely not the only one who shares the opinion that the bishop is too soft for a good liner. Good luck w/ it 'Nana, keep us posted.


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[joelhague]

I think your right it comes down to torque and I think the torque is what gives you that initial puncture easier when I ran my capo next to my spektra the motors sounded different forsure even though they are both Swiss the bishop did sound slower or maybe softer and the spektra a bit more zippy maybe this is why machines like the rotary works etc line better even with zero give because the torque allows you to pop through the skin easier and get that initial puncture I was talking about without slowing down at the start I find I can line fast with any rotary but I have to slow down for the initial puncture on the line maybe a 6volt motor or something that runs with a lot more torque would help I have a cranker on the way we will see thanks for the input man I by no means think I know everything but I use rotarys everyday and am constantly trying to figure out what makes them tick and what techniques make them more efficient

[Eturnus]

Well i like the torque on my spektra.

[joelhague]

Me too litteraly everything in my top drawer has not been touched since i got mine especially with t tech set up no need for really anything else well except to satisfy my brain and its new machine cravings haha