Hawk needles are already a small diameter similar to most "bugpins" sold by other companies and their "power" needle groups seem to be closer to regular sized needles... the new "bugpin" needles under a 20x loop just look very similar to "textured" needles you get from other companies. I agree with gaston that they should not be labeled as "bugpins" because they're not smaller... It really seems like they should have been labeled "textured". These needles seem to work the same as all other textured needles and might put in slightly more ink in a single pass... but they also cause slightly more damage to the skin... Both needles seem to work good for me in my thunder.