Has anybody used the new stigma's yet?

**slicksteel** · 03-23-2013, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Tengu315

I personally think a well done Japanese Tebori( hand poked) is the most saturated.

for sure! a long stroke impact or a oldtime can sure put in those solids.

**(Opted Out)** · 03-23-2013, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by crabink

Well so far my RW I.D. seems to perform color packing and lining a lot better than my Prodigy... I guess I like no give a lot better.. But honestly lately I have been re-tuning my coils, reducing the strokes and dialing them in to run a little faster, paying attention to the working stroke length (the actual stroke lengths while in the skin) and have had some incredible results.... I think i am gonna stick to coils and sell the Prodigy... So far color and black and grey were not very smooth and i wasn't impressed.. Each time I ran the Prodigy for color I went back to my coils. I guess being that I know how to build coil machines and get a machine to do what i want maybe it's this knowledge that makes them work better for me... I often wonder how many rotary users are expert coil builders and wonder if they are pigeon-holing themselves into rotaries because they are simplistic and almost maintenance free and were never taught how to tune and build coil machines. Also you don't have to know anything about how to build a rotary to run them. Just have to learn needle depths and pressure and hand technique along with trial and error. Would be an interesting poll to see how many rotary users actually know how to build a coil machine from scratch and set one up from coil cores to rear spring tension and everything in between. I am not talking about changing and replacing an identical spring on a machine either.. That's not building, that's regurgitation.

I guess in conclusion I wanted to believe that rotary technology had surpassed and improved upon the coil technology, but it hasn't.. it's just merely something different, with working pros and cons just like coils. Realizing this makes me want to try the new centri.. that is a technology that actually emulates real coil tattooing, but with the centrifugal breaking system that i love. I guess I will wait and see.

I will however try some more rotaries but they will all be direct drive... I am thinking the HM adjustable... Seems like more bang for the buck since DD are all about stroke length.

I think 95% of people on here could build a machine from parts, and definetly tune one... When i first picked up a rotary i enjoyed the silence and the fact that some are 1/3rd of the weight of your average coil... They were ok to start with i struggled to saturate, b&g wasnt that smooth and lines were patchy... At that point i decided to push on with rotarys.. Try more discover what i wanted.. Hand speed, depth needle hang etc... Now im happy to say my rotary set up as it is will do anything better than any coil machines... Sure i miss the sound and tinkering.. But i enjoy keeping all my machines clean and well lubricated and running like they should, i can tattoo faster, better, with a reduced healing time, my wrists and hands feel 100% better every day than they did with coils... My ears arent ringing from the constant noise my clients are happy and say there less paiinfull and far happier with the low noise... You need to find whats right for you, i have always dabbled in different rotarys and i have owned over 30 now... And i can say i have 8 at the moment.. All no give, some people like give thats there preferance.. But im sure that for me personally having owned 40+ coils from alot of great builders rotarys are my future.

**hendricksonart.com** · 03-23-2013, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Tengu315

I personally think a well done Japanese Tebori( hand poked) is the most saturated.

Have not seen to many of those in person so i couldnt say.

**tattood** · 03-23-2013, 03:22 PM

**I feel like u are a little pissed about ur experience with the prodigy and trying to belittle rotary users by some of these statement u make. Part of the experience is trying new machines and not setting your hopes to high that is gonna be your daily driver, get it be open minded and try it out, if it work it works if not trade it for another then another then another.lol until u find one u like. then when u do, maybe get a new one from that builder and see what else he offers

**MickWrath** · 03-23-2013, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by hendricksonart.com

To this day the most saturated tattoos I have ever seen have been done with coils, I do not see that changing rotary's work well and have advantages but coils have some definite unmatched advantages. Tuning is so easy If you understand your machines well. I am not sure how they ever become such a big hassle. I spend about five mins a day making sure my machines are running where they should be and my machines never go out of tune unless a spring breaks.

I can saturate with my rotaries as good as I could with coils if not better with faster heal times and less trauma to the skin homie. I can show you Pics of my coil work vs my rotary work for saturation comparison. It's the artist and technique not the machine when you are talking high end coil vs high end rotaries.

**(Opted Out)** · 03-23-2013, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by MickWrath

I can saturate with my rotaries as good as I could with coils if not better with faster heal times and less trauma to the skin homie. I can show you Pics of my coil work vs my rotary work for saturation comparison. It's the artist and technique not the machine when you are talking high end coil vs high end rotaries.

true that!

**hendricksonart.com** · 03-23-2013, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by MickWrath

I can saturate with my rotaries as good as I could with coils if not better with faster heal times and less trauma to the skin homie. I can show you Pics of my coil work vs my rotary work for saturation comparison. It's the artist and technique not the machine when you are talking high end coil vs high end rotaries.

Do you just use the word homie or is it like deragotory thing? Every time I see you write homie I cant tell if you just use that word of if your trying to be confrontartional. I guess people talk different in different circles my friends dont even refer to me as homie unless they are tying to be funny. I am not saying a person cannot use a rotary and saturate better then with a coil. I am just saying that the most solid tattoos I have seen have been done with coils. I have certain friends and artist in mind who just seem to be above others when it comes to a tattoo being really saturated and just take it to another level. I have seen these peoples work over years hold up like no other and its done with coils I am not saying one is better then the other. Just pointing out my own experiences. I think there are reasons Nicko still uses coils and rotarys they both have there place.