Well I dont use the give on my halo! I dont think it works that well or even at all! Even with the superlube/oil added. I do also think that most give systems just dont work, they are far to hard to make any difference. You are trying to put ink into the skin about how deep 1mm 1.5mm if the give system doesnt move in that first 1mm then I can't see it working at all. The best give system so far - dragonfly piston. The worst - bizarre v1. The rest fall in between. The best give system is the skin and your stretch.

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