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    Machine Builder I build Tattoo Machines jesoner79's Avatar
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    i wanted give at first but i dont use much of it now and noticed that i prefer my kubin direct drive right now so im hoping i love the hm adjustable dd im getting soon if its as good as the kubin and versatile then i prob wont use much else

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    It all comes down to the person and the way they tattoo, for a few months I will only use me DD for everything lining/shading/color. Now I only use them for soft shading but it still depends on the body area. I think its in silence of the machines Franco talks about organic give and I strongly agree except in certain cases of older skin and feet tattoo which I switch back to a coil with a good amount of give. There are so many ways to set up the DD to allow some "give" soft rubber grommets over paper towels or if you run something like the old timers you can open the needle loop so it has some play and kind of offers give. Hope this helps/or makes sense

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    Look at the work done with Cheyenne machines or the stylus h. Line color shade... Amazing variations of work done with no give

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    I do it everyday man. it's all about technique though. Study up on it before you try. Highly recommend watching the DVD "Silence of the machines". Where Angelo pulls off a portrait using a neo tat. Did wonders for me. You just need to pay more attention to depth. Using a machine with no give is ideal really. To me it puts all control on the artist. Not depending on springs which vary on area of the body and hit that changes throughout the tattoo. . Not a fan of the hang time in rotaries with give systems. Can be a bit of a drag! lol Once you figure it out, there is nothing like being able to plug and play every time.

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    to add a little to the variety of how no gives hit different. I just got a Rotary Works Slim line, and that thing was hitting way softer than say a standar rW or a nicks rotary maybe it was because the difference of stroke length.. u can also really tell alot by listening to how they hit the skin each machine makes a different sounds while working the needles.. maybe only really noticable if ur machine is super quiet but listen and u will hear it

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickWrath View Post
    I'm at a loss for words on this. Prodigy at 7 volts with the give backed out all the way barely breaks the skin, all the way in at 7 volts and it will pack like a damn 4mm DD. Id say the give has full range and does way more than "not much". Not to call you out but have you even used a centri? and do you know what give is pertaining to rotaries? Shit. To answer your original question anything is possible.
    I dont know man.. but like i said a springer will back way off so I imagine a machine that cost 300 more wood do the same and much more..

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    Pretty interesting stuff.. Overall it seems the predictable and repetitively safe stroke of a rotary keeps you near the dermis surface and because they run a little faster they seems to pack or even blend quickly and evenly. Give just seems to let you dial in the DD style hit, softening it a little. Seems to me that there really isn't a superior technology (yet)
    before my RW I.D. I would never dare believe in no give. Kinda let's me know just how resilient the dermis can be with this type of hit. I will continue to use my prodigy and rw I'd... And see how it goes now that I switched all my coils to RCA.

    Oh and by the way.. Kingpintattoosupply and painfulpleasures have the best RCA conversion kits I found..
    Last edited by crabink; 03-22-2013 at 03:10 PM.

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