yeah, I get that. that's why I love my vivace, runs the same everytime I use it. so I get it. I think that in the long run, if I were to see into the future, lol. id probably end up with a set up something similar to that of no give or little give. like I said I use my gen 8 for lining so its set up essentially the same everytime I use it, so I agree with what youre saying. I like my machines to run the same every time I use em also. like franco said its like muscle memory if your machine runs the same everytime you use it it becomes reflex. I really want to try the micro bishop with the built in non adjustable give, for lining. like I said if I could see the future it will probably be a neo vivace, halo, and a micro bishop w/built in give(depending on how much I end up liking it, which im sure I will, lol) as daily runners. but for now I really dig the way I got my gen 8 set up.