New disposable "Fantom" tubes for cartridge system

[rjdadio]

Ray, I still owe you that beer nextime im in AZ!

This biz....with all the stress, has turned me into a fat drunk.......I drink way too much beer these days. But what the heck....I'll drink to that.

[cagelavey]

drink one for me, lol

[fkirons]

Yea but we need to keep a eye on the Tescos of the tattooing world(Big super market chain of England lots of fingers in pies and the odd horse those who don't know) because if we don't things could slowly get out of are hands, people getting together on a project is great it works in tattooing so I can't see why it can't work in the machines them selfs as well.

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You can say the "wall mart" of tattooing, in the States

[fkirons]

I feel a bit nauseated regarding this subject.
Especially because I am in america and love this country and industry.
We cannot allow anyone to control our industry. Especially by people that have nothing to do with it
to begin with.
Messed up that they try to pass laws to grow their wallets! That is sickening.


PS: I wonder if anyone owns a patent on a direct drive.

[punisher]

I just want to say this is a fascinating post. I feel the people of this forum would. Be loyal to a USA brand. Can't say much for the rest of the industry with sow much Chinese manufactured junk being shoved down the industries throat. Unless your reading these post I don't know a single needle or disposable tube that is advertised that it is Chinese. I only use tatsoul for supplies anymore but even then I couldn't tell any one where there needle or tubes are made. I would assume china. So I know this is going to be no easy task but I for one support it and hope it is a success. Certainly will promote it in my circle of artist friends.
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[cagelavey]

yeah, completely excited to see a disposable tube and cart being produced on this continent. (nothing against Europe, Australia, etc.) it'll just be nice to know where all of the prodcts and tools we use come from and whos pocket our hard earned money is going to. with the help of forums like this one it'll also be easier to make purchases over seas also. because of the readiment of information that this site provides.

[sammyfrog75]

I'm not American but can we(in Australia) use them as a trial too? Obviously I'd pay the asking price...... Also when are the 2 new machines coming out roughly?
And I'd like to add that we too(Australian and possibly the rest of the world) agree with you guys about the Chinese crap that comes out....
We too are feeling frustrated about getting cheap knock off and can't really prove where it's been made(I got 2 bishops from our Australian supplier and when i opened the machines to change the cams I read on the motors that they are Maxon sample only motors.....
Now not saying it's not OK to run but it feels like(unless it's in my mind) than they dont run like the other 2 bishops I got sent by the original bishop company.......
Kudos to you to make a stand and believe me I'd rather buy the extra money to get quality stuff from you guys than China.....

[cagelavey]

I know, that's why I mentioned Europe and Australia. you guys have some very inventive stuff coming from Australia and Europe, obviously with some of the best machines on the market. I was just stating, that it is so much more convenient to see more products come from our country. also, there is a huge problem in America with outsourcing to other countries. so the more we can have made here the better it is for us as individuals and our economy. im sure you guys have to deal with customs a lot and it sucks, long wait times for products, etc.

[rjdadio]

You can say the "wall mart" of tattooing, in the States

So funny you say that....it is that exact statement a company I was making parts for.....They wanted to be the "wally world" of the tattoo industry. It is why I basically stopped working for them

[rjdadio]

I think we need to get an American company making our small motors for us! I would invest in that! How about a kickstarter? Anyone game?