Yeah I see Pete,,, that's what reminded me bout this thread,,,, just been searching for more info on the 'original' hbird machine,,, and its pretty vague,,, prices vary quite a bit,,, is it possible they actually made a decent grade machine here??? I know the arguements on this subject are very delicate and without causing a fuss,,, I'm just wondering wether this could be a bit of an exception,,,,function wise at least,,, as there seems to be a few positive vibes???