I don't know, i hear what youre saying artoftatt2 its all pretty scary, id just have to see some hard facts that cold sterilizing a drive bar is ineffective, I cant just believe it is because someone says it is, that's all. In any event I think we are heading in the right direction with all of it, gets better everyday. in any event I don't want to highjack the thread any longer, lol. love the look of the machine Gaston, cant wait to get my hands on one!